What is more important to you: Your individual rights or your dignity?
Posted by Solver 7 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
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: a way of appearing or behaving that suggests seriousness and self-control.
: the quality of being worthy of honor or respect.
I agree with you...To take full and proper advantage of individual rights as a creator of values one must have dignity and I can not see how one could achieve dignity without the rights of individualism. Correct me if I'm wrong here, in a system that denies individual rights, the attainment of dignity is improbable and will likely get you jailed or killed.
A case in point in today's culture is the desire of individual rights without dignity or the "Right" to be undignified.
Goes back to "Freedom" without ethics, morals or responsibility.
Follow me on this.
As our responsibilities are slowly being taken away from us, so is our freedom. Regan coined this problem. Paraphrasing, When FREEDOM becomes freedoms it is broken down into individual parts making it possible to erode our FREEDOM. If you take away one freeom after another, it can only be done in degrees. The ultimate goal is the same. Anytime you see the word "freedoms", remove the "s". Do not let this government take away our freedom a little at a time. That is how it was done in AS.
A subservient person may think he has achieved dignity for serving the state or some lord and master, but he is just a sieg heil slave.
I have individual and natural rights even if I am publicly barred from exercising them I am not barred from thinking them.
Which brings us morals, values and finally ethics. You may vote for Hillary over Sanders I having ethics will vote for the Constitution over both Hillary, Sanders, Trump, your entire array and in voting against evil have upheld both my own rights but my own dignity.
Using a luke warm version of I was only following orders Mein Herr is giving up your rights and the notion of ever having had any dignity.
Just another way to get you to flush yourself down the most convenient toilet
I've seen lots and lots of samurai movies starting with classics such as Yojimbo, Sanjuro and Seven Samurai.
A samurai's service to his lord meant everything.
A samurai was expected to cut out his own intestines if just to serve a whim of his lord.
Those samurais can really come off looking admirable for being all noble and such.
But they were just fancy slaves.
Same goes for an ancient Spartan's service to the state.
Thermopylae was quite the battle you have to admit.
What has not been admitted is that the Spartans had a lot more help than shown in the decades apart movies, 300 Spartans and 300.
Old Dino saw them both in a theater when they first came out. That still takes nothing away from the Spartans who held that pass to their last breath.
Examples: It claims to protect civil dignity using such methods as quota systems, which violate individual rights of the people who want to voluntarily do the choosing and who didn't get chosen. It will order that access to businesses be convenient to everyone, at the extra expense of individual rights of the business owner. It will beg, borrow and steal to create numerous social programs to seemingly raise the dignity of many classes, at the expense of individual rights of those that produce the most value that people are actually willing to pay for.
The point of the question was to show that dignity and individual rights are not the same. Yet, they should both be protected, but not at the expense of the other.
And I agree this is distinct concept from rights, which are inherent. Even though you can criminally fail to recognize them, no one can take them from me - only I can abdicate myself of my rights by acting criminally - or failing to take a stand in their defense.
We have three comments that aren't showing up again. However Freedom and Independence are the same thing same genre they govern how you turn your rights into actions but each and every right demands a corresponding responsibility. Which brings us to a major point of disagreement. Moochers are not responsible for their actions where Looters are or at least should be held responsible for their 'mooching' but where are the responsible citizens demanding their rights to ensure the moochers and looters are dealt with accordingly?
Fact is they are few and far between. having been replaced by 'enablers' who demand the right to take all of your rights but demand you still take responsibility for supporting the
moochers and looters.
Of the three moochers (minus the few who really are unable to produce for or care for thenselves), the looters and the enablers the last group are better called super moochers. Scum is another word.
The whole mantra for money as free speech is replete with their chant." I demand the right without explanation to take all of your rights without exception." One non existent made of whole cloth right in exchange for something like five constitutional rights never mind violating the bejayzus out of your individual and natural rights.
It's a quid pro quo argument where they demanded their quid but so far have failed to pro quo. No value received for value given.
Did the rights deprived citizens exercise their responsibility? No....too busy learning to be enablers apprentices.
You will here the enablers rail and rant about this and that but when it comes to anything important they are curiously silent.
Still it leaves us with something useful.
Rights equal responsibilities
Rights not protected mean irresponsibility.
Individual, Natural, or embodied in such a document as the Bill of Rights.
Dec 31st sllicked into a hidden corner of the year end funding bill under cover of the contrived to the wire last second vote which ended up 85 to 15 in the Senate was an expansion of the already in place usurption of civil rights and NO articles were written, no comments, no discussion.
Meanwhile and since then we have hosted countless really meaningless stupid discussions on 'rights by the 'where were you when it counted, enablers.
Still at a loss? Figures.
The ability to apprehend and detain without benefit of any civil rights whatsoever was up held and expanded in the fascist Patriot Act.
Probable Cause with back up suitable to get a legal warrant' replaced by mere 'suspicion of' with no warrant, no judge, no attorney appointed, no trial, no evidence and apparently no requirement for any records being kept. '
Verbally said to not apply to US Citizens but try to find that in writing.
And damn few of us said anything. This time they took the right without exception to take all of your rights without explanation.
Where was your precious dignity then?
Obama then went on TV and patted his back and his ass with a show of pride how he had put one over on your fricking dignity.
The old law said unspecified maybe taken into custody ' on suspicion of terrorism.
The new law added 'on suspicion of support of terrorism.'
The 100 mile from border and sea coast or navigable waters susupension of the Constitution not suspended or cancelled.
No definition of 'terrorism'
No definition of 'terrorist'
No requirement for 'civil rights added back into the mix."
No exclusion of US Citizens.
Now where's your precious dignity as you watched Barak Hussein Obama sneer at you with his real legacy.
Same place you let your precious constitutional rights go. Ignored and in the shitter.
That's an example of Radical Reasoning turned against them.
But it isn't untrue;.
Now who you going to vote for?
an out an out marxist-leninest?
an international socialist
a national socialist
Nice job America. Upper US!. You let them dictate the choices.
As for me. I objectively moved to free North America. No more infantry for this soldier. I'm watching from the sidelines.
Stop Enabling
Take Control
Make Change
It really isn't either/or ... it's more like: Where one is missing then both are missing.
I think that sometimes you must choose between fighting for what you know to be correct or leading a peaceful life with a "wait-and-see" attitude but that doesn't mean that you have lost either rights or dignity. It's more of an indication of emotional maturity.
"nobility or elevation of character; worthiness"
merriam-webster.com gives,
"the quality of being worthy of honor or respect"
Individual rights
In any event that is an intended consequence of the galloping collectivism loose in the world.
Swap your rights, for their control, allegedly in aid of a 3rd party, when it is really for their benefit alone. (They/their referring to the political puppeteers)