Should Women Have to Sign up for the Draft?

Posted by awebb 8 years, 4 months ago to Politics
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I recently stumbled across this article, Making Women Sign Up for the Draft Would be the Height of Stupidity: http://townhall.com/columnists/johnha...

Here are a few quotes:

"Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush and Chris Christie all blundered right into her trap and agreed that we should take the radical step of forcing young women to sign up for a potential draft."

"... while we should certainly appreciate women who serve our country, it doesn’t change the fact that the more women you put into combat, the worse our military will perform."

"Have we gotten so mired in this faux feminism,” “You go, girl” culture that we can’t even admit that men are generally much better suited to kill other men than women?"

"However, if we ever stoop to drafting women and forcing them to fight our battles, it would be one of the most foolish and shameful moments in our nation’s history."

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My opinion:

Frankly, I thought this article was condescending. I don't understand why it is radical to ask women to take the same risks as men.

This article is saying "It is okay to ask (or force) men to kill other men and potentially sacrifice their own lives but it is not okay to ask the same of women".

If a woman isn't physically equipped to fill a role, don't put her in that role... but the same can be said for men. The military wouldn't make a person that is 5'2 and 120 pounds a SEAL regardless of gender.

The fact that women are typically smaller and lighter than men doesn't automatically preclude them from in some way serving their country. Draft women for other roles or at least evaluate women to see if they are equipped to serve in combat positions.

I believe in equality. Not superiority. That means I want to be treated just as my male counterpart is. Not better. Not worse.

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I would love to know what other Gulchers think of this issue and the article.


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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 4 months ago
    Step back and accept that military slavery is not ok, no matter what. Gives an easy answer to the question.

    If military service was voluntary, it should carry with it the same requirements as any job- you need the skills and interest to do what the job requires.

    Trump would settle this issue, as he knows how to get things done in a business.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 8 years, 4 months ago
    Selective service registration is a form of oppression by the government. When approximately half the population is being oppressed, you don't solve it by oppressing the other half. You abolish the oppression all together.

    Those crying that without the pool of possible draftees being readily available, must have been under a rock when 9/11 happened. Within days after the attack there were huge numbers of volenteers signing up for military service and I have no doubt if needed there would be similar people coming forward in the future if need be. Also, because of the advancements that have been made to our military infrastructure, I would also daresay that the numbers needed would be much less in the future due to the our capabilities (there will always be a need for infantry for on the ground needs, but fewer would be needed to be put into harms way when we have precision armaments to make better surgical strikes).
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 4 months ago
    Our culture has, until recently, valued women and children and I think that tradition is a valid and heroic one, But...no one should be forced nor required to serve in any "Just cause" or to serve in readiness for the protection of our country against barbarians and the mentally ill kakistocracies in the world.
    It should always be a choice.
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  • Posted by WilliamRThomas 8 years, 4 months ago
    Nobody should have to sign up for the draft.

    But if men must, then women must.

    Drafting only men is sexism and violates equal protection of the law.

    But again, the draft itself is a form of slavery. It is grossly unjust to threaten someone with prison or death to send them where they run a high risk of being killed. It's gross violation of the rights to life and liberty.
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  • Posted by cksawyer 8 years, 4 months ago
    Hell no, they should not be made to register for conscription!!

    That doesn't mean that they should be kept from serving voluntarily in combat roles, should they be qualified to do so, BUT....

    Just because some citizens are getting treated as slaves, doesn't justify that even more should be enslaved. The concept of equality of treatment or fairness doesn't not apply to criminal violation of individual rights.

    Anyone who can avoid being involved in draft registration by any means whatsoever, including lying or running away (just as similar actions are justified in the face of a mugger on the streets) is justified in doing so, and I happy for them to have done so.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you want a really confused and easily moldable population, force all the young, inexperienced and impressionable into military service to fight a fabricated "war." You mustn't leave out the women because they are very good at protesting when they see their brothers, husbands, and boyfriends come back in body bags.
    Don't forget to take away all the guns, too. Wouldn't want a grey snowbird uprising.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 4 months ago
    Something just dawned on me. Can you imagine if a candidate answered like I did? If a candidate said we should avoid a draft the people would lose their minds. The Vietnam veterans would flip out. The leftists would flip out. The neocons would flip out. Fox News would flip out. MSNBC would flip out. My dad would flip out. Most of my neighbors would flip out.

    LOL

    Then, there are these people who think that every kid should be forced to serve a term "like in Isreal". Meanwhile, my neighbor's daughter couldn't wait to get out of the Army because she was continually sexually harassed in there. Yeah...molest my daughter Uncle Sam... The addled masses have this dreamy image of America - that everybody's pure and you can just hand your kids over to the government.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You get over that, if you are open to change and learning. Training and practice teach you what to do. Even though I am a writer, my degrees are in criminology, and I often work as a security guard. We get "defensive" training. You get overpowered by a girl a few times and it begins to sink in... Also, for the past 18 months, I have been in the Texas State Guard. Texas is a traditional place. I have run into the old-fashioned mindset in both young and old men. But operationally, the uniform defines the person. The real problem is not over-protection, but sexual harassment, which is really the other side of that same coin. It always comes down to the individual. People with good values make good decisions.

    If you care to read a narrative, allow me to recommend Love My Rifle More Than You by Kayla Williams.
    https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Equal sacrifice for equal slavery" -- and establishment, 'politically correct' candidates fell for it. It's as bad as Nixon proclaiming that he had made military conscription "fair" by denying responsibility for it under a "lottery". Unprincipled Pragmatists always go in the wrong direction.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We do have a draft. All men over 18 must register for selective service. It is just that the "draft" part of the draft is not active because we have enough volunteers. But we do have mandatory registration for military service.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 8 years, 4 months ago
    I am offended by this article. It gives the impression that men are natural killers who want to out and kill each other while women are naturally sweet and kind.

    While teenage boys who are learning to deal with conflicts often do go to violence as an answer, and teenage girls often go to backstabbing and rumor mongering both revert to force if not taught to be mindfully better than the method of force in there thinking.

    Now those are generalizations and there will be those outside of them. In the end non of it should matter because there should be no draft ever. If the cause is just and people see it as valuable you will have enough who will fight by there own agency. If not you wont get people to join up. That is how it should work and gender does not matter, so long as the requirements for a job are met.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "they should be valued for their individual abilities."
    Yes, I agree. It's so simple. Looking at group affiliation is complicated and error prone.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago
    If they're going to force people into war, they should look at potential conscripts' traits, not the traits of the group they belong to.
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    Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 4 months ago
    No draft of any one, not even for "national service" involuntary servitude is slavery.

    If you don't pay attention to this and have a silly draft registration then all sexes should sign up for it -- however many sexes you recognize. If you do have a draft assign duties as appropriate.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 4 months ago
    I thought Bush, Rubio and Christie made a huge mistake answering the question. They should have said we don't have a draft and we won't have a draft if I am President. By answering the question they are now on record talking about what they would do if there was a draft.
    I did not serve in the military but I would have to think I would feel more protective of a female soldier than a male soldier. It would probably cause me to make mistakes and take chances I otherwise probably wouldn't take. Not trying to be insulting it's just the way I think.
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    Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 4 months ago
    Women do some things better than men, and women do some things worse than men... in general.
    But people shouldn't be valued, in general, they should be valued for their individual abilities.
    I would make a lousy soldier, in general, but I might contribute greatly in other ways, if I did so voluntarily.
    Let anyone serve who is qualified to perform the job, and who has the ability to understand what they are volunteering to do.
    (Yes, they should also be provided the truthful data to make the decision.)
    No draft of anyone. No one sent to die under threat.
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