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Very important. Not at all unlike the need for all valid concepts to accept humor and be the butt of a joke.
I believe it is a axiom that any dogma can be demonstrated to be fundamentally wrong in a context for which it was not conceived.
"The Cult of Angry Ayn Rand: Followers of The Fountainhead Philosophy of Selfishness are Out to Lead Us Back to a 19th Century Paradise", by Dora Jane Hamblin, LIFE Magazine, April 7, 1967. Hamblin understood more than what she led you to believe. She knew what she wanted to kill. It was a planned hit piece for which she "found" what she wanted to find.
She was a philosopher, not a politician or political policy wonk, and deliberately did not restrict herself to political commentary as the a-philosophical libertarians did and still do. She wrote in the first issue of The Objectivist Newsletter in1962:
"Objectivism is a philosophical movement; since politics is a branch of philosophy, Objectivism advocates certain political principles- specifically, those of laissez-faire capitalism - as the consequence and the ultimate practical application of its fundamental philosophical principles. It does not regard politics as a separate or primary goal, that is: as a goal that can be achieved without a wider ideological context."
"Politics is based on three other philosophical disciplines: metaphysics, epistemology and ethics - on a theory of man's nature and of man's relationship to existence. It is only on such a base that one can formulate a consistent political theory and achieve it in practice. When, however, men attempt to rush into politics without such a base, the result is that embarrassing conglomeration of impotence, futility, inconsistency and superficiality which is loosely designated today as 'conservatism.' Objectivists are not 'conservatives.' We are radicals for capitalism; we are fighting for that philosophical base which capitalism did not have and without which it was doomed to perish."
She quoted that again in 1971 and added:
"I am not primarily an advocate of capitalism, but of egoism; and I am not primarily an advocate of egoism, but of reason. If one recognizes the supremacy of reason and applies it consistently, all the rest follows."
Throughout her writing you find explanation based on relevant principles and concepts and the facts that give rise to them. Such a principled, philosophical approach is not a "focus on metaphysics (God)" (and "metaphysics" does not mean "God").
As an advocate of reason she did not focus on religion at all (as some contemporary 'professional atheists' do today), she dismissed it as not worthy of further intellectual efforts as a philosophy -- other than in the context of posing a specific threat (such as some prominent politician promoting it to impose restrictions) and in a few key articles like those revealing the meaning and consequences of the papal encyclicals. Those articles explained the destructive meaning of religion for human life on earth, which she emphatically regarded as the good, with an emphasis in those articles in showing the contrast and the consequences of the religious advocacy for man's life in reality. That, too, was not an inappropriate "focus" on God . Libertarians and conservatives wishing for something else is not relevant.
in my first paperback copy of AS. . it was my "I could
have written that ... I wish!" -- j
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I refer to the XXth century as the Century of the Great Socialist Wars when reason is too often shoved aside to feed the emotions of the moment. I found my perspective was wholly reinforced after 24 years infantry.
Another reference that predates Rand and AS is Caldwell and Devil's Advocate. But unless you are lucky it's a $40 some odd dollar expenditure to get a paperback copy. these days. 1952 a decade ahead of AS.
Near as I can tell they never knew each other but may have known of each other.
So the problem is either returning to first principles as they were and seeing who fits or redefining first principles to fit those who abandoned the first version. On balance I would make the first choice. i did that rather easily one day by realizing the center was the Constitution and what should have been and not the center of the left which is a fair definition of the center de facto
Rand spoke well of unions 'then' not unions as they are now as similarly to the Republicans just part of the left. So who speaks for them now and first principles abandoned by or never really believed in by the 'big two' and are they really 'two' or really 'one?'
I've been a career soldier and a union member. In the former role we were treated as cannon fodder and the survivors abandoned in the latter as factory fodder and then likewise abandoned or worse for many ignored and not allowed in those particular temples of labor. Add to that another group that abandoned itself the baby factories but I see the military itself is changing that .(2016 all combat jobs open to women but the military is demanding full equal rights and responsibilities meaning women to sign on the dotted line for benefits when turning 18. Women should be glad for that full acceptance which means they are no longer considered mere baby factories even though it means when the time comes so might their number.)
Side point. Gung Ho is more properly translated as 'moving forward together harmoniously.' It's very collective in that sense. I hold A thousand points of light and it takes a village in the same basket - collectively.
The foregoing not as an argument but as statements that come to mind by your remarks.
Who speaks for the forgotten might be another way of putting it. Another way when examining the current voting system is who speaks for the Constitution and the idea of voting freely and not having a vote once cast turned into something else?"
And why are none of those except perhaps two, momentarily, represented amongst the candidates?
More unanswered questions but your statement as to who speaks for the forgotten, those who no longer bother to tregister, to vote to participate? The 35% to 45%? No one.
No one and most who might are too busy squabbling or living in the past unable to accept the reality of the present.
Well that's my serious 'vent' for the day. I shall retreat to using my Fiorini/Jindal slate as a way of finding a way....since nothing else has been offered.
Yet.
So who speaks for them now?
My point is that the facts were there. I stand by my mother's family. Staunch Republicans, they were opposed to US entry in World War Two. One time, when my mother told me about the concentration camps for Japanese, I asked, "Why didn't they put us in concentration camps?" and she replied: "Because they needed our labor for their steel mills." Republican.... back then...
In this essay, the main point was about writing from the subconscious. No one commented on that. No one questioned why the supreme Left Brain Intellectual would advocate writing from your subconscious -- especially when writing non-fiction.
https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
And, yet, who else speaks up at all for individual initiative, enterprise, and limited government, except the conservatives?
The basic problem, of course, is that with those positives come a package deal to support any war at any time and the abrogation of certain rights if not the fundamental concept of rights. That is the fundamental problem: conservatives only want to hang on to the glorious past - granted that parts of it were glorious - rather than to define first principles and follow them where they lead.... wherever they lead...
My first question on that was to my own natural father a World War II veteran. "If it was worth fighting for why did all of you return and vote it into being here in our own country?" Took him s number of years to formulate an answer and articulate it because he had to admit for the first time he was wrong about something. "Because it came so slow just one little thing at a time that we never really saw it coming it until it was too late. Because we kept saying, 'That will ever happened here'."
I agree also that our six or seven decades of experience give us a wisdom that we did not have all those decades before. Is the wisdom of age "better" than the passion of youth? Would you trade the one for the other, if it were either-or?
That aside, I do agree that the wisdom gained from a lifetime of experience provides a standard against which to re-evaluate the choices of our youth. Largely, I find agreement.
Look at the problems here. Someone watched Atlas Shrugged in a theater and likes it because it expresses what they always believed. But aesthetic reflection is not philosophical agreement. The line of (ahem) logic goes like this:
I liked Atlas Shrugged.
I believe X.
Therefore X is supported by Objectivism.
Then they claim things that Ayn Rand never did. (What she would say now is arguable, perhaps.)
One clue is the focus on politics and the ignoring of of metaphysics and epistemology.
I am not sure about the physical reality of "randroids" today. It had some meaning in the 1970s. I am not sure about today. Even Leonard Peikoff has found his own voice. I recommend highly Understanding Objectivism by Peikoff and Berliner.
It is true that your value system is based on your emotions. Most people stop there. They absorb the values around them. If they are "thinkers" after a fashion, they find ex post facto reasons to explain and justify their values. (Most people never do.) Very few people throw everything out and start fresh with new ideas, and build their personal value system from a foundation of reality and reason.
The key is that while your values are based on your emotions, your emotions are automatic summation of your ideas. Your continuous and continual self-experience determine your emotions. Thus, Dagny was different from James -- and Dominique was not Roark. Those contrasts are highly cogent. James was evil. Dagny was good, but her expression of it was - as Rand's own - idiosyncratic: ruled by itself. "It" (she) had a self. James Taggart did not.
I also like to examine those challenges that you call "certain topics." Ayn Rand could be - no other word for it - idiosyncratic. She was happy being Ayn Rand, but not everyone can (or should) be someone else. I am not able to agree with all of her political opinions - but those are the minor ones, like whether women should wear midi-skirts or be President.
So, you can see why Rand was wary.
And rightfully so, as she insisted in her condemnation of the "Libertarian" Party, which stood for your right to use heroin and work as a prostitute. Indeed, you have those political rights. But Objectivism teaches something far different.
"WHAT?"
"Thats what she said."
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