Ok I'm going.....

Thanks! Email contact made. Giddee up!

Off with you to Room 101

Hi Brett. Sorry for the delay. I wanted to wait to have time to more thoughtfully respond...; however, such time has been exceeding elusive lately. So to heck with more thoughtfully!

Thanks for the great message and the kind declaration of fanhood. Ha!.

You say "relative neighbor". Are you in Texas? Houston?

Let's continue the conversation by email, then we can decide if we want to bring it back to the Gulch, and if so, how and in what form?

kimsawyer@theWealthSource.com

We had a guy next door who crammed 250 alpacas onto 3 acres and never picked up any manuer. They had ecolis running off the property, and down the common roadway. The nitric acid in the rain water from the manuer ate the road away, the smell was terrible, and the State refused to do anything about it, as it was too small to worry about. But a dairy with money? That was a different story. When I proved the guy had lied and lied in his Bankruptcy statements, I chased after the Federal attorney in Eugene, OR who told me the perjury was there, but it was too small a case to prosecute. When I asked him"Now that you have defined small perjury, what constitutes big perjury?" he hung up. Law is just a tool for the political monsters to use against those they want to persecute, look at the article I posted where Judicial Watch has documents showing the IRS and FBI conspired to file false charges against the people the IRS was screwing with, and there are many cases of a similar nature that did go beyond that, Gibson Guitars is one of them. Much of government today exists only to be manipulated by the in power party to destroy their enemies, or those that do not "comply", much like 1984. The sad thing is the bulk of America is completely unaware of it, just as long as they can do their own little thing.

I and some others in touch with Cliven have said that some of those experiences back in the 90's have helped prep him for the recent events. As usual, there is so much more to the story than the media provides - even some of the alternative media.

Thanks for your answer Abaco. Yes, there are plenty of sheeple around us. But there's a healthy number of us still who aren't! I find it getting harder to identify and challenge and resist all of the statist acts and premises in our world because there is just so damn many of them. But I'm happy to be in this online gulch because I fit in here. Even staunch individualists benefit from social support and interaction. So I feel your struggle, but let's appreciate the numbers and connections we have here.

Thanks for your answer LibertyBelle. Sounds like you are getting into an existential dilemma. Have you thought of work and value you can create from home? Sounds like driving is a major constraint. I'm curious in case we can help you arrive at some creative options here.

Thanks for your answer! Sounds like some other responses. And hopefully the discussion here provides some new approaches or resources for you to consider.

Thanks for more info Bill. I just read your first intro post to learn more about you. Excellent and interesting to me! I'm an aerospace engineer as my first career, and later have been drawn into STEM education and the need for serious innovation there.
But I'm equally intrigued by your brief intro about developing products from Objectivism and the role of marketing. That's where we were going here. Let me know if we can chat in realtime. Would be my privilege. Thanks!

Wow, thanks for the unique account! There is a compelling and news-friendly story happening with you now, I believe. Fighting back with independent media is something to consider. Hell of a lot easier and better now than copying VHS tapes!

Ok David, me either, yet on the Producer level. Please go to my main bio here and go to the first website link. That website has a Contact Me option in the top menu. Use that, ok? Thanks!

Good advice. I am aware of the Pacific Legal Foundation. Being familiar with numerous cases like this (Hage vs US, for example), I know they can drag out for years, even if done pro bono.

Our situation is unraveling so fast, I think it will be a case of the old mining adage of "Deep Enough". The old context used to mean that there was usually too much dead rock that had to be moved that resources were spent.

Nowadays, it appears that the government agencies have created so much "overburden" that resources are all too exhaustible.

meetup.com is a good resource for finding like-minded people. I found a good "libertarian" group in my city, and members are aligned with Rand's thinking.

I understand the argument, and I honor your choice. It is not mine. The way I look at it, any money I paid to the government is gone, spent, wasted, deceased. My wealth, once confiscated and dispersed, is gone forever. If I take any current payments from government, it will be paid for by current taxpayers....like my son, and my nephew, and my niece...and that is a moral burden I do not wish to bear.
How long I can be independent is yet to be seen. Ideally I will stay healthy and work like hell, relying on no one, then keel over.

Convincing people that making a decision based on reason rather than emotion is not psychopathic behavior.

Ron,

You figure it out be sure to let us know. I have all but become a hermit except for work (which I have to deal with people there) and moved to activities that involve family a few friends that can be rational at times.

After a year or two i find myself on the roller coaster of trying to get people to understand for 4 or 5 years and then I get sick of it again.

Is it not wonderful when you find one? That to me is the most rewarding thing outside of having one of my kids get some concept and really understand it.

Trying to live without violating my convictions. I had long thought that it would be wrong to go on
Social Security, as the money I had paid in was
gone. They cut people in the plant where I worked,
and I was sent away last October. And I have tried and tried and tried to get a job. (I also have
tried to avoid stores, at least running the cash
register, as stores sell so much Communist
crap).( There are jobs I could get, if I didn't have
epilepsy and could drive a car;a landscaping
job I was turned down for, for instance.But I
would have had to drive a dirt-pushing machine,
and I was told it wouldn't do. And obviously, I
can't drive a cab). My brother pushed the idea
of going to to Salvation Army for help, but I
would starve first. (Not that I have started to
starve yet; but who knows?) One gets into
very embarrassing difficulties.

Statism.

Statism is the first ailment that hypocrites are inflicted with. So, I deal with it among others who call themselves Objectivists. I deal with it in the evening news every damn night. I deal with it from all angles. Big government is here to stay because, deep down, that's what almost everybody really wants.

I should elaborate. Many of my friends who call themselves "conservatives" really want big government. They actually like seeing people dressed in costumes using force. They speak of smaller government, yet are very eager to make some key exceptions.

In short - we are a nation, a society of sheep. I don't fit in.

I'm also trying to work on a novel and have enough distractions in my life already.

BRS I have not thought about it but have come close. I am in the process of founding a philosophy research company which has as one of its products an integrated science program for high school students. We ran a beta test at a local high school and it was excellent. See Piekoff;s the Dim Hypothesis for the need for integration. The main work of the Lab is the integration of science and philosophy. Lots of marketable products in a time of disintegration.

Your idea is interesting and it fits with our purpose of using the wonder of seeing how it all fits to remove the barriers to grasping Objectivism. Follow up if you are interested.

REVIEW of How to Deal with Irrational People.

Not a total waste of $3. It has some suggestions dealing with irrational BEHAVIOR, not the irrational THINKING (Hillary is a woman; I'm a woman; therefore, I vote for her) that we Gulchers have to deal with in the world.

The main "take away" was a reaffirmation of what I already knew (and practice) when dealing with irrational BEHAVIOR: don't contest it, agree with the irrational person and, thus, buy some time for them to cool down; that they have a "need" but their behavior is preventing that need from being addressed.

In summary: "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Tom Paine.

Having paid taxes for over 50 years, I take the opposite view and accept any "benefit" the government offers. If I don't, the money will simply flow to those who support the current system. Ayn Rand addressed the issue brilliantly in "“The Question of Scholarships,” The Objectivist, June, 1966, page 11.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/gov...

Throw away the Bb typewriter, too.