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The wisdom of Ayn Rand regarding altruism

Posted by $ jbrenner 2 years, 2 months ago to Philosophy
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It is very tempting to send money to support the Canadian truckers and other people/causes. With the crackdown by the Canadian finance minister and crowdfunding companies and the now ubiquitous equating of such donations to "supporting terrorism", now, more than ever, Ayn Rand's persistent bashing of altruism is more relevant than ever.

No good deed goes unpunished.


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    Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 2 months ago
    “Crackdown” sounds like getting tough on wrong doers. These humans have every right to protest the actions that directly have a negative U.N.fair tyranical Impact on them. Speaking of the NWO (that’s me of course) don’t be surprised when you see uN Blue helmets in the great white North. Re : crackdown Let’s Call it what it is , theft with the tip of a gun resting between their eyes. . Sure it was freezing or seizure of assets with a keyboard , same result.

    Ayn Rand was truly amazing in her ability to tell an interesting and exciting story and educate the reader at the same time . She very clearly understood the damage altruism does to the productivity of a human and particularly a large group. I also have been awed by Milton Friedman , Norman Dodd , Ronald Reagan, G. Edward Griffith Rush Limbaugh and many participants in this very Gulch , with their ability to see the forest fire through the trees 🌲 🌳 so to speak. Poor analogy, but you know what I mean.

    I am curious if anyone thinks Ayn went into the propaganda or brainwashing aspect of The kakistocrats? One of the mysteries that has been unraveling is the brainwashing. It’s effects can’t be overstated in my opinion. I am surprised how many time a trusted source lies and is still a trusted source. Never are the motivation of their lies to be examined.. Covid19 revealed that. It came from a spoiled bat meal at the “Wet Market”. Ha ,who ever heard of a wet market before , but spoke of atvevery water cooler . Then the next lie and the next. From my point of view , the narcissistic trait that we witness constantly from the Cabals minions is projection. Russia collusion was projection , the” insurrection”on J6 the same. Psychopathical liars that they are , so now we see them attacking “mis-information”. The media , Education , Hollywood , even Libraries have been steadily and well practiced lying to us and giving misinformation.Over and over and over. They know if you Take away a persons confidence and likely they will go with the crowd vs their own reasoning. People fear Bullying , in fact , though they claim and have convinced people they are the champion of the oppressed. The way they twist distort and pervert reality or definitions , oppressed: means a criminal who has been caught and sentenced. Heaven forbid that man is rehabilitated and produces pillows , jobs and a good nights sleep. Lol.
    With that said thanks for the post and best of all The Qreat Awakening continues and the evil enemy is becoming fully exposed. Truth over propaganda and a well armed populace.
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      Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago
      From their point of view, anyone who has his/her own point of view is a wrongdoer. A contrarian point of view is anathema.

      Projection is indeed the name of their game.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 2 months ago
      "Freezing" assets takes on a whole new meaning when we're talking about Canada in winter. Just sayin'. ;)

      That being said, I hope that every single one of these people remove their money from the banks. Let's collapse a few and see how fast Trudeau's money train derails.
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      • Posted by Lakestalker 2 years, 2 months ago
        I’m wondering if this economic destabilization was the goal in itself? Destabilize the banks, throw the economy into chaos and simply slide in a few new laws designed to bring about “order”.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 2 months ago
          It probably is, but it's a lot of chaos and panic they're sowing and the lie they tell themselves is that they'll be able to control it. Currency is only as valuable as what it can buy. If you undermine one currency, people will go to a black market/barter system until something better. And who is it that these elitists are relying on? The police. One thing these protests have done is severely undermine the public trust in the designated law enforcement. And when there are tens of thousands ot people to every policeman, it doesn't take much to overwhelm them. We've been watching that for the past two years with the BLM riots. Only these idiot elitists believe it won't go both ways...
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          • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago
            More accurately, the elitists actually gain more power regardless of which way things go.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 2 months ago
              They depend on some semblance of order to maintain their tyranny. They can't maintain power if the bubble bursts and society melts down entirely. Now could they turn to a dependence on a police force of their own construction, i.e. Brown Shirts. Surely. But without a projection of force, they are cut off from the very products and services they lust after.
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      • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago
        It is probably too late to remove money from a Canadian bank now. That would be construed as "not trusting your government". While Americans value “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” Canadians are said to prefer “peace, order, and good governance.” May I introduce you to Midas Mulligan?
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 2 months ago
    I'm not following you professor. Giving money to the truckers, is like handing a firearm to a person on your side of a fight, not a donation to a needy but lazy person. This is not altruism.

    What are you getting at?
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    • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago
      Regardless of whether someone is on "your side" or not, there are significant new negative consequences to yourself for "handing a firearm to a person on your side of a fight".
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      • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 2 months ago
        We are at an inflection point , a precipice, if you will.
        Most people don’t want to admit that we are literally in a world war , I have called it the “Uncivil War” for 6 years now. It is unconventional,yet the casualties are not. It really flared up with the anti-fa brown shirts. They were literally were attacking out in the open elderly people right on the streets in dem cities out west during Obama’s reign of infiltration. The baseless smear or “wrap up smear campaign as Piglousey described. The enemy during that time was then committing treason against US by obstruction/ spying / and framing Pres. Trump for over 5 years.

        My wife and I have discussed and have agreed that now the line is drawn. We will never live on our knees, but we will die on our feet defending our inalienable rights to life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness!

        4685
        Sep 12, 2020 2:47:18 PM EDT
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        HOW DO YOU AMPLIFY A DESIRED THEME-NARRATIVE?
        MSDNC controls what you see [digital echo].
        Twitter - FB - GOOG control what you see and what trends [digital echo].
        Hollywood ['stars'] swarm to enforce ['trend' echo].
        Blue checkmarks swarm to enforce [digital echo].
        ANTIFA swarm to enforce [non_digital echo].
        Rage and emotion follow by those indoctrinated [echo controlled].
        Define 'indoctrinate'.
        to often repeat an idea or belief to someone in order to persuade them to accept it
        Next: grab 'rage & emotion' [organized platform(s)] by indoctrinated and project as 'majority' [zoom and enhance _narrow focus as mainstream].
        System of control.
        Many choose the path of least resistance.
        For many you cannot tell them the truth.
        You must show them.
        Only at the PRECIPICE will people find the will [strength] to change and break the system of control [be free].
        Q
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 2 months ago
        Those aren't "new" are they?
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        • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago
          Yes, I think they are new. Now you are seeing people being punished for "donating" to people who are viewed as "terrorists". Two months ago, it was only the parents of Va. students who were branded as "terrorists". Two years ago, it was people who disagreed with Fauci. The difference now is that you don't even have to speak or write to get punished.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 2 months ago
            I meant being punished for supporting another person's enemy is not new. This is an old vindictive behavior. It may be a little "new" that it is overt western government behavior, but it is not new in general.

            Separately, supporting the truckers is not altruism.
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            • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago
              Supporting the truckers may not be altruism in the traditional sense, but we will all soon find out just how self-destructive such support will be.

              As an owner of a disinfection product company that made the mistake of explaining why hydroxychloroquine worked well against COVID, I will tell you that people who have not been "doxxed" have no idea what it is like. People who have no idea of what they are talking about, but think they do, swarm like fire ants when someone accidentally disturbs their ant hill. The Soviets were vindictive, but it will soon be child's play compared to the vindictiveness we are starting to see. The surveillance tools are so advanced now that it is a completely different ballgame.

              Even the immensely popular golfer Phil Mickelson is about to be silenced: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/phil...
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  • Posted by $ katrinam41 2 years, 2 months ago
    Although Ayn didn't use the word "brainwashed ", everything to do with the rantings of government and media implies it to be so in AS. Without stating it, she managed to capture today's mind control in a very real and harsh light. Time for a re-read to remind me just how much has already become fact.
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  • Posted by sdesapio 2 years, 2 months ago
    "Altruism", as Ayn Rand spoke of it, is the act putting the interest of others above one's own - whether by guilt or obligation.

    Sending money to a cause you believe in, is not altruism. You are not putting the welfare of the truckers above your own interest. Your interests are aligned. There is nothing wrong with donating money to any cause you believe in.

    "My views on charity are very simple. I do not consider it a major virtue and, above all, I do not consider it a moral duty. There is nothing wrong in helping other people, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them. I regard charity as a marginal issue. What I am fighting is the idea that charity is a moral duty and a primary virtue." - Ayn Rand, 1964 Playboy Interview
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    • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago
      I know what Ayn Rand said. Now that we are in an age where you are digitally tracked as much as you are, I will argue that you can't afford to help them. If the Great Reset continues as it starting to, there is most definitely something wrong in helping other people, because you do it at a cost far greater than you at first realize.

      This is a "Check your premises" moment.
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      • Posted by sdesapio 2 years, 2 months ago
        RE: "Now that we are in an age where you are digitally tracked as much as you are, I will argue that you can't afford to help them."
        While I do not necessarily disagree, your response is a conflation.

        Your original post suggests that donating to the truckers would be an act of altruism. It wouldn't. It would be an act of charity - which is not the same thing.

        Altruism, or Ayn Rand's stance on altruism, has nothing to do with you or anyone else donating to the truckers. Whether or not one should donate is not a matter of Ayn Rand's stance on altruism. In fact, it plays no role in the discussion.

        You appreciating the truckers and wanting them to succeed, and considering donating to their cause, does not equate to "altruism" in anyway.

        RE: "If the Great Reset continues as it starting to, there is most definitely something wrong in helping other people, because you do it at a cost far greater than you at first realize."
        This still has nothing to do with altruism. You're speaking to the risks of being charitable.
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  • Posted by mccwho 2 years, 2 months ago
    Canada is now experiencing their very own Boston tea party and soon ( I Hate to say) their own modern day version of the Boston massacre, though I hope its not an actual massacre!
    Trudeau has become King George of old! Sounds like they will need to update their constitution to prevent such power grabs in the future. Far too much governance !!!
    Less Governance means more freedom, which people like the totally useless Trudeau rely upon on the people having less of. Not to mention people like Besos, Gates and the other like minded Orwellian totallaltain's depend on.

    As well as we here in the USA will also need to update ours to stop out of control political parties from manipulating the system. I still say we should outlaw political parties all together! They server no useful purpose except to cause separation.
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    • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago
      "... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. ..." - Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence
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      • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 1 month ago
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        https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/30/...
        Some believe the protection of Agency is what matters most.
        Some believe the declassification [public exposure of truth] and rebuilding of Agency is what matters most.
        Apply same to FBI.
        Apply same to State.
        .........
        Any attempt to buck the system, no matter severity of crime, and they will fight back [self-preservation].
        SHADOW GAME.
        Prevent public exposure of truth.
        Why?
        PEOPLE [UNITED] HAVE THE POWER.
        That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
        Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.
        Q
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 2 years, 1 month ago
    The Trucker Protest was flawed from the start.
    It’s the equivalent to the old way of fighting where armies lined up on opposite sides of a field and start firing at eachother.
    There’s far too much exposure to “Bad Optics” that can be manufactured by the Left.
    This is a case in which they should just “Go Galt” and stay home. Kinda hard to throw people in jail for just staying home. Especially after a lot of the west just spent 2 years threatening and incentivizing their populations to do exactly that.
    Imagine the ethical pretzel GoFraudMe would have to create to justify removing a crowd funding effort to “Adopt a Trucker” so they could just NOT work and stay home. As if the statists in congress don’t do that EVERY SINGLE DAY with non-voluntary funding. I guess when I’m essentially “paying” them for not doing something I don’t want done, It’s not altruism. I’ve not paid them up to this point because I believe their methods to be flawed with the likelihood to cause more harm than good.

    Regarding the Cruise Ship idea. S.S. United States is available. And is in remarkably good condition. Also it was “BUILT RIGHT”. Unlike the glorified floating wedding cakes that the Italian yards churn out. No ship should be disabled electrically by one system failure. I’ve wired hospitals. It’s not hard to build redundant systems. Unless you’re a cheapskate.

    That being said I’m a Master Industrial Electrician with 30 years experience. I specialize in Automation. Systems Integration also. Those yellow robotic arms that we see in car commercials...I make those “talk” to eachother and the fixtures and conveyors around them. And it all started digging ditches while having an insatiable desire to know, not only HOW things work but, WHY they work.
    I also don’t believe anyone owes me a living. I’ve made a far better one myself.
    Consider this my application to be a Gulcher.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 2 years, 1 month ago
    I always thought Ayn Rand was hammering the idea of compulsive altruism....that it's actually not altruism. Certainly, with charity.
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