Exactly, not even close to "free", and never has meant to be...except maybe in Year One, just to set the hook....

One would ask, then, why Rand Paul's bill is not the replacement or a major piece there of. That tells just who is driving this crap wagon called politics...

Good point...

This is why it is more important than ever to pay attention to vote tracking groups right now, especially the Club For Growth. With any luck they can replace the worst establishment Republicans, starting with Paul Ryan, with real budget cutters while Trump is still in office.

Rand Paul's bill (where replace meant you could buy insurance from any state) would be a great idea.

I don't know the specifics of AHCA, but I do know it preserves the requirement that insurance companies ignore preexisting conditions, which means they will all have to go on being subsidized or go broke. That is what would lead to single-payer.

I think that emergency rooms are only there to "stabilize" you so that they can release you to go home. They dont want to really determine whats wrong- thats for the specialists. Plus the fact that ER's HAVE TO ACCEPT YOU regardless of whether you will pay. That means "stabilize" and get rid of the patient ASAP without liability.

Diagnosis means the requirement for treatment, so dont diagnose.

Both the parties are in the establishment. Trump IS an outsider, and they are all telling him that he is essentially powerless to DO anything except veto what they pass.

Ryan should be fired too ! He is a statist snake.Trump shouldnt trust him at all.

I pay $107 for medicare, and then $250 for "supplemental" from AARP, and then $35 for part "d". So thats $392 per month total. So you are right. That doesnt include the 2.9% medicare tax on payroll earnings either. On 3000 payroll per month, thats another $87 per month. So we are up to $479 per month

Exactly. Betrayal is such a standard now. People just expect it.

Right, Herb, you are. Once Felony Pelosi let the dragon in, we were doomed, which was what a bunch of politicians were saying, until it was done, and they got paid off or something. Now, they are all on board in one way or another. A new third party that can sweep both away would be needed, and someone strong enough, with enough knowledge of all the buried bodies to keep the back room boys in check, until they could be eliminated. Without that, Orwell was right...

Anything they can control, and thus milk. If only we had some nano bot spies in all the back rooms and phones. I bet the NSA funnels millions of calls to each party for blackmail purposes, in order to prevent mutual destruction.

One of the great writers, who, along with AR, was a prophet everyone thought was making this all up...just like Heinlein...

Medical sucks. Period. Doctors are as incompetent as having a plumber do the work. We blew through our 5K deductable in 2 months of ER visits and dumb ass doctors who can't find root cause and say that my wife is "panic attacking". The only attack was the one I stopped her from around dumbass doctors neck... Finally went to a Naturopath who had some idea of the fact when you have a gall bladder removed, things get very weird and you have to play a "what can I eat" game. Also, you become allergic to specific foods that will make you very sick. The Gastropod morons never mentioned any of this, and when asked, said "that can't be". Facts beat fiction, but we treat ourselves before we go to the loony bin rip off house...

"Single Payer" is the politically correct way of saying "government run healthcare". I wish everyone would call it what it is. And we all know how efficient and cost effective the gov't runs things.

I think he had HIS idea what replace was, and we are stuck with what Ryan says we will have, after his masters told him...

Exactly, seperate by their lists of sponsors and patron, equal in their complete, utter disregard for the "peasants". This is the one thing all the Liberals, Progressives and minorities keep failing to see, as they are simple mindedly driven by single word hot buttons, and emotional BS spewed by the media. The latest stab is the "18 day" phenomena....

You are correct in a lot here, and Trump was just the best guess of a very bad rotten group. He just seems so out of his league, almost as if he thought Ryan would actually support him and his agenda. I am thinking he and Ryan had a "come to Jesus" moment, where Trump was told he would be allowed to continue, as long as he does not interfere in their real objectives. Otherwise, Trump is out, Pence is in, and the Republicrats have 2 in the history books...

Well, not free, exactly, that is why it is rigged so you need to have supplemental health insurance through monsters like AARP, and why they can single handedly de-nut the Republicans. That also cuts the cost to the gov, allowing them to repurpose money allocated under the table. A neat scheme, worthy of our oppressors...

By then maybe we will be full on MMT so taxes will not be needed to fund government... just to maintain the viability of the currency, regulate the macro economy (which Congress will never do), and to redistribute income (which the Democratic Party majority Congress will love to do.)

In Bangkok, Bumrungrad Hospital is the tourist favorite, and Yanhee Intl is the very good one that caters to Thais (at significantly lower prices than Bumrungrad.)

Search on medical tourism.
Here is one resource:
http://www.patientsbeyondborders.com/...
I can personally vouch for medical and dental in Thailand, and dental in Panama. I have heard that some cities in Mexico offer good quality care, too. There are 2 good hospitals that I know of in Bangkok. One caters to western tourists and is more expensive. The other caters to Thais and has a very good reputation among tourists who have had procedures there. I can't attest to any specifics.

the free market would require time to develop the various insurance programs and premiums. that could take a couple of years, which would be too long in this political climate. I am thinking that if the senate rejects the house plan, and then the house rejects the revised senate plan, Trump might just throw up his hands and let Obamacare crash on its own. THEN, perhaps a free market solution would be more palatable, except for the democrats pushing for expanded medicare for everyone (which was their plan in the first place).

Replace is fine if the replacement is the free market, but that would reduce government power, and that does not happen with the people in DC. Trump was vague about nearly everything during the campaign... a requirement to get elected, and a way to avoid responsibility after being elected for all politicians regardless of party. If Trump really can negotiate and get the best deal as he claimed then he should be letting the con-gress fight about the ACA and then after the public is completely disgusted with all of them, trump should release a free market solution. The problem is that the free market will not put up with unrealistic assumptions for very long. That means that under the free market there will never be an economically sound program that allows free or near free treatment of pre existing conditions. It cannot happen because it defies the basic economic principles of insurance.
Socialist Government constantly makes mathematically, economically impossible promises. That will never change, but the liberal voters do not respond to reality. They respond to fairy tale unreality only and elect total failures like Obama, Clinton, Carter, Johnson, JFK, Truman, FDR. America might have been better off under dictatorship instead of that list of traitors.

It really funny how once it gets started, something like healthcare being run and managed by the government becomes the norm, a mandatory legal action, even though the government should have no involvement in it at all. But then again, actually its really not funny at all.

What's next, what else can we get the government to take control of and mange for us, and at what cost? All it takes is to just get it started, it doesn't have to be right or perfect, and "they" will jump on the bandwagon. It will never again revert back to free enterprise. It gives whole new meaning to letting the cat out of the bag.