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Trump: Eminent Domain "Wonderful"

Posted by sdesapio 8 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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From the article: "I think eminent domain is wonderful if you're building a highway and you need to build as an example, a highway, and you're going to be blocked by a hold-out or in some cases, it's a hold-out, just so you understand, nobody knows this better than I do, I built a lot of buildings in Manhattan and you'll have 12 sites and you'll get 11 and you'll have the one hold-out and you end up building around them and everything else," Trump said Tuesday on Special Report.


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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thou speakest truth.
    Hopefully, my prediction will come true and he will have faded away by march/April.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago
    Well, the idea was that the constitution protects us from the excesses of government perpetrated by socialism corruption and cronyism- leaving the role of president as an effective administrator and "head of the armed forced". At least as I understand it.

    If one looks back at the actual elections- what did we get? Exactly the same philosophical corruptions you are identifying now. The winners all had terrible traits in one way or another, reflecting philosophical weaknesses or cronyism of their supporters. So if you say I have a low estimate of politics today, you are indeed correct, and I think I am correctly identifying how things are

    How did Ron Paul do in his candidacy? Zero chance at election. How about rand Paul? Farthest either gets is congress. Imagine how far ayn rand would get today? Even libertarian candidates for president? Zero chance for election today.

    I would say even trump has a slim chance of beating one of the democrats, but the other republican candidates have far less chances. Look at obamas election- twice !! He is an arrogant socialist who has us in two useless wars, has nearly bankrupted our dollar, presided over an out of control NSA, took over medical care without even reading the bill and flat out lying about it. What does that tell you about politics today? I am thinking Obama could be re elected AGAIN if he could run.

    Trump's popularity is that he is a non politician , not part of the political establishment. He is not strangled by political correctness, and he is a successful businessman. Those things "might" get him a total of 271 ( I think that's the number) of the electoral college votes needed. It's a longer way off yet, but I just don't see any others of the current crop of repub candidates doing that
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  • Posted by conscious1978 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You really think no one but a corrupt crony, like Trump, can beat a criminal, a socialist, or a handsy creep? Time to re-evaluate based on a better interpretation of the facts.

    Trump is a poorly fabricated facade...yes, he would say I'm being mean to him, "bigly".
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I won't make any suggestions. I am only voicing my assessment, which I suppose is politically incorrect in this forum. My single vote isn't worth anything anyway so I should not bother spending time engaging in analysis with other intelligent people. None of the candidates currently electable respect private property so perhaps the true objectivist approach should be to ignore this election altogether and let whatever happens happen.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think trump is the only one who could defeat the eventual dem candidate, tho
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. Look at the way he attacks other people's property rights then publicly smears the victims. "The Widow and Eminent Domain" http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...

    It is fully in accord with his blowhard campaign of personal smears and Pragmatist disregard for principles subjugated to "deals". He's not the only such power seeker in politics (or elsewhere), but it's frightening that he has been able to emotionally manipulate so many people to support him in a presidential campaign. People are thoroughly frustrated with politicians but don't understand the principles necessary to put the country back on track.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We have all thought about the range of current candidates and don't need your suggestion. However bad on property rights some of them are, none of them has enthusiastically promoted taking private property as "wonderful". They at least have enough sense to know that Americans still respect private property rights. Trump's boastful announcement that he does not is not a reason to support him and does not make him better than all the rest. When someone admits, let alone boasts, that he rejects your rights, you don't say, "Oh, ok, you admit it so now I can support you. You plead guilty so you are exempt from punishment for the crime".
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You switched your argument from gushing over Trump and dismissing the fundamental importance of private property rights against eminent domain abuse to rejecting Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. They are not an excuse to praise the fascistic Trump while dismissing his attacks on property rights, and Trump is not the only alternative in the election. He is a false alternative who should be identified and denounced for what he is.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your anti-private property rights mentality is reprehensible, and no, it doesn't belong in a free society. As usual you duck the argument and try to personalize it with false statements in non-responsive posts. Eminent domain has in fact been an abuse against innocent people since long before Trump.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
    I took a break went to the store and bought some puppy chow for all the RInos gathered here.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would suggest that you think about how the other ccandidates deal with private property. Trump is no worse than any of them, and a lot better than most. Bottom of the pile are Sanders and Hillary. I have been ravaged all my life by politicians ignoring my private property rights, and I am DONE with it being done behind the scenes by career politicians. I want a NON-politician for a change who will tell us whats happening, for good or worse. On that note, I have more respect for Sanders than Hillary. At least he says what he is going to do. So did Hitler, by the way. Our politicians talk one way and do quite another, and I am tired of it.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I dont decide on things based on your mention of excuses. I make up my own mind. It is very early in the election cycle. I have said my favorites would be Rand Paul first, probably Trump second, and perhaps Ben Carson next.TThe rest of them arent going to make it anyway thru the primary. I just dont want Hillary or Sanders to win in nov 2016
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As has become all too typical of you, you can't just disagree politely, you have to devolve to personal attacks. You attribute to my views things that are not part of my views and use broad-brush characterizations to libel me. You claim that anyone who disagrees is ignorant or unlearned. You only expose your own ignorance and frankly dishonesty by engaging in such.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are supporting Trump with complete disregard for his anti-private property rights Pragmatism and much more. He is a demagogue manipulating people for a nationalist, anti-individualist fascistic power grab selling out anything for "deals" in the name of the "public good". He has no concern for the rights of the individual.

    You should read Leonard Peikoff's The Ominous Parallels, in which he describes how Hitler came to power as the compromise candidate appealing to both sides in a battle between ideological socialists and conservative nationalists. Both sides embraced altruist sacrifice to collectivism, which is what they got.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What you can or cannot imagine about what projects are possible when people refuse to give up their property is irrelevant. The notion of a superior "pubic good" means that the rights of the individual are sacrificed to the collective. Denouncing statism and tribalism does not mean that roads are bad.

    You don't get to tell other people they should "take the money and run". The owner of the home in Atlantic City chose not to sell it and refused Trump's higher offers because they were irrelevant to her. You don't decide that.

    Seizing a "right of first refusal" is a seizure of private property rights to sell to whomever one chooses at the price agreed on without government obstruction driving potential buyers away and driving down the market value. There is a long history of this abuse with broken promises and arrogant muscling of property owners because government was allowed to assume privileges over other people's property.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a discussion about Donald Trump's obscene promotion of eminent domain as
    "wonderful" to seize other people's property. Unlike you, most of the country has been outraged over the Kelo decision that Trump supports. Trump is losing ground in the primary campaign over his increasingly revealed lack of substance. There is no basis for claiming he could defeat a Democrat a year from now, let along that is the only one who could. Your rambling lack of concern for private property rights does not address any of that. We will be discussing which of (most likely) only two candidates would do the least damage or whether it worth voting for either of them in a year. There is no excuse for gushing over Trump for what he is.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Enormous injustices have been perpetrated against private owners in the name of "public facilities". That includes tens of thousands of people arrogantly displaced by government agencies like the National Park Service. This started long before there was a Donald Trump. There is no collective "right" to seize other people's property and no such thing as a "fair price" for something is not for sale. If you don't understand that then there is no place in a free society for you and your statist collectivism either.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 7 months ago
    Trump is a self-motivated narcissist. He has no real values. Of course he supports whatever helps him get $ and power.

    He is disruptive to the campaign discussions, that may be the only value he provides to it.
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  • Posted by RobertFl 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But, if we were talking "public good" for a roadway, then why is this bad?
    I believe this was the original intent of Eminent Domain.
    I think the problem is, ED had no scope to its reach.

    Should Trump be able to use ED to force that lady out of her house for the casino? No. But,she should have taken the money and ran.
    Should ED be used to kick someone out of their house for a park? No. Maybe provide for the gov't getting right to first refusal should the owner wish to sell.
    Should ED be used for roads, damn, etc. I'd say there's a case there.
    I can't imagine the Interstate being built around peoples houses that refused to budge.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I get that, and as I stated, the price should be a heavy one, meaning it should be voluntary but the process should favor those that wish not to participate...property is sacrosanct. I mistakenly used the word, 'Taking'.
    Believe it or not, that idea is something our biblical ancestors learned; but that is a different story.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Once upon a time one could travel the dusty back roads of the nation and find a little store and gas station and cafe spread all over the land. They died when centralization started even in the midwest. I'll mention WalMart for their decentralization policies. I've run into them in the middle of nowhere but central to a very large population that used to host the smaller retailers. Some say they drive people out of business but I've also noticed those businesses were dying or had died already.

    McDonald's at one time the largest corporate landowner in the country went at it differently. They researched potential areas and bought enough land to put in a full shopping center and then sub leased the land back to the original owner often a farm on some lonely corner. Algona Iowa until they had a bridge built was this way. Waiting for the bridge to be built was McDonalds who had guessed correctly where the freeway would run.

    The rest followed.

    I see no other evidence of what DrZarkov99 has stated except freeways where every intersection is an excuse to build a new town.

    So...thumbs up on this one. It's time to leave the cities to the rats and live like human beings.

    Those of you from NEW Yark Ceetee to pun the Pace Picante Commercial will have not a clue but that can't be helped.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Great point. I would have appreciated that he was honest and picked up my marbles and gotten out of there. He told everyone what he was going to do and it was 100% bad. Trump is not anywhere close to being that bad, nor are any of the repub candidates. Hillary and sanders and Obama are the real evil doers in our time and they lie and tell us they are doing good for us. Hitler was more into exploiting the evil in Germans of that era
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Real usurping if power quietly is the normal way with Washington insiders. Look at obamacare. I would rather have an outsider bring things to the light of day for a change. They all wave the bible. It's stupid but the majority of people in this country believe that religious crap.
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