Trump: Eminent Domain "Wonderful"
From the article: "I think eminent domain is wonderful if you're building a highway and you need to build as an example, a highway, and you're going to be blocked by a hold-out or in some cases, it's a hold-out, just so you understand, nobody knows this better than I do, I built a lot of buildings in Manhattan and you'll have 12 sites and you'll get 11 and you'll have the one hold-out and you end up building around them and everything else," Trump said Tuesday on Special Report.
In the interview by Fox on eminent domain and his previous support for the infamous Kelo decision, Trump made an even more sweeping assertion than the one quoted above where he boasts that he has used eminent domain to seize property himself: "So eminent domain when it comes to jobs, roads, the public good, I think it's a wonderful thing, I'll be honest with you." @2:50min in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...
Trump is trying to convey the impression that eminent domain is only used against people who hold out for more money they don't deserve in defying a recognized "public good" and that they are paid many times the market value of their property. Value to whom? He dismisses as irrelevant those who he claims "rarely" say "I love my house". Not only are people not 'overpaid' in this unscrupulous scheme of statist collectivism they are forced to abjectly submit , abandon their personal values, and then leave at their own expense in both money and personal disruption of their lives. None of this matters to a tyrant like Trump. This alleged "savior", who is being supported as the 'man on the white horse' is only an ugly little Pragmatist with a big mouth, opposed to principle on principle and who would ruthlessly push us into deeper statism under his narcissist "deals".
The first time I was interviewed for a radio program on the topic of eminent domain and the National Park Service years ago I was asked, but don't they pay you a fair price? The immediate response that came to me naturally was, "There is no such thing as a fair price for something that is not for sale". But not in Donald Trump's world where the rights and values of the individual don't matter. He's the fascist who knows how to "get things done", and don't dare ask, "get what things done at whose expense?"
See also previous gg posts:
"The Widow and Eminent Domain" http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
"More on Trump eminent domain anti-private property rights" https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
Look! Lord Trump has no clothes!
What he WILL do is bring politically incorrect subjects up for public discussion that are now hidden, which is a hell of a lot better than a Hillary who will lurk in the basement with her secret emails and let us find out what she did after she is out of office.
When have we heard a politician say that eminent domain is a tool to take private property away? They just do it, and be quiet. Now it brings the subject up for debate- not unlike what Snowden did.
Trump's unprincipled, unethical behavior is not a badge of courage on his part "to bring the subject up for debate". He doesn't want to change eminent domain!! He thinks "it's a wonderful thing"!
Don't kid yourself, Trump has no principled respect for individual rights.
Just another looter who feels he is better than the rest of the people that the POTUS is supposed to serve,
They just got rid of Maquiladoras (which is what I had), and they have a incoming duty from China over 20%. Not to mention their 10% VAT.
If Hillary or Sanders gets in, I am ready to leave. I am afraid no one on the Repub side other than Trump can beat the Democrat candidates. Not a very good set of choices.
The only peaceful way to return to individual liberty and free markets is for people claiming to oppose the statists to recognize that any vote for either major party is a vote for slavery.
Trump is just another looter who will predictably use the power of the presidency to steal from everyone else for his own benefit. He is a perfect representative of the GOP.
Rand Paul could beat Hillary in a landslide.
Maybe I'll offer a strong opinion at a later time....
But the GOP will never let Rand get close to the party banner. He represents everything they despise, and we revere.
Trump will say whatever he feels his audience wants to hear. Trump is a snake.
It's got to be Paul, Cruz, or nobody.
I will vote for Paul, perhaps Carson, and Trump in that order. Whoever makes it through the media blitz. I suspect Paul and Carson wont make it thru the nomination. Hillary wanted Trump to run perhaps because she figured he was an easy person to beat. I think Trump vs Hillary would land us Trump. Anything but Hillary or Sanders.
Cruz is a religious zealot, as is Rubio, and to an extent Carson. The rest of the repubs are not even in the running.
Nope, it never happened.
We do not need a businessman to run the country. We need someone who would at least in part return to protecting the rights of the individual. That means an emphatic 'no' to an unprincipled Pragmatist and nationalist fascist who wants to run the country as if it were his own business. It is not true that he couldn't do enormous damage without Congress giving him what he wants. The President has enormous power to run the entire Federal government through his political appointees under vague powers granted by Congress long ago. Nor could Congress be expected to not go along with his statism and collectivism.
The problem with eminent domain as it has been used recently is in the distortion of the purpose from eminent domain to cronyism. That is where Trump fits in, as he has been a crony recipient of eminent domain's use and therefore supports such policies.
Classic interests that are public have been public thoroughfares. (disclaimer: not supporting the use of this) but Trump is talking about a crony relationship for his personal gain.
Trump is in no way an admirable, successful businessman. He is and always has been the ultimate crony capitalist, and since he entered the "R" field has been #1 on my "anybody but" list, moving Jeb Bush to a distant 2nd...
The only paving done by eminent domain these days is on the road to anarchy. 'Lords and nobles' are vying for the most powerful gang.
These is a difference between its original concept and how Trump uses it. Kelo would have never been supported originally. A proper govt would have almost 0 need to use it. It would rarely come up. That the Supreme Court upheld Kelo, shows how far gone property rights have become
"wonderful" to seize other people's property. Unlike you, most of the country has been outraged over the Kelo decision that Trump supports. Trump is losing ground in the primary campaign over his increasingly revealed lack of substance. There is no basis for claiming he could defeat a Democrat a year from now, let along that is the only one who could. Your rambling lack of concern for private property rights does not address any of that. We will be discussing which of (most likely) only two candidates would do the least damage or whether it worth voting for either of them in a year. There is no excuse for gushing over Trump for what he is.
Trump is a poorly fabricated facade...yes, he would say I'm being mean to him, "bigly".
That description should be mandatory on all political debates broadcast, all political advertising, and all public discussion of every executive order, supreme court decision, and all legislation.
No longer funny, get the hook.
Given his arrogance I'd expect Trump has has more effect and influence in his companies in their attempt to produce real things than Carly had on HP. The effect Carly had was to decrease it.
This notion has legs!!!
I'm assuming you read the other posts on Wasserman's problem with the Hillary Bomb
Nor does your left wing socialist corporatist for sure fascist RINO hero.
For the record if you support trump and the Republicans you are a supporter of government over people and ergo sum left wing. Just in the right wing of the left.
Oh please. Setting aside that many aspects of Trump are absolutely good for the country, practically all of them are relatively good – that is, relative to his closest competitors.
Trump doesn't always get his way.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...
I do not support his views on eminent domain. One should not be forced from their property for someone else's personal gain.
Respectfully,
O.A.
He is disruptive to the campaign discussions, that may be the only value he provides to it.
Overcoming the medieval model of huge population centers won't be easy, with much capital at stake, and environmentalists screaming about wanting to contain the contagion that is humanity, so that it does as little damage to the wild countryside as possible. Agenda 21 only reinforces this defunct model, attempting to further compress the human population into ever larger rat warrens in the name of "efficiency".
Trump's view is only natural, given the source of his wealth, dealing in conventional large, centralized real estate projects. I'm amused about all the moral indignation over his position, when our default societal model demands such invasion of individual rights.
I'd bet that if Trump bought into the idea of a more rational distributed societal model, his view on eminent domain would be quite different. The challenge and the gamble involved would be hard for him to resist.
McDonald's at one time the largest corporate landowner in the country went at it differently. They researched potential areas and bought enough land to put in a full shopping center and then sub leased the land back to the original owner often a farm on some lonely corner. Algona Iowa until they had a bridge built was this way. Waiting for the bridge to be built was McDonalds who had guessed correctly where the freeway would run.
The rest followed.
I see no other evidence of what DrZarkov99 has stated except freeways where every intersection is an excuse to build a new town.
So...thumbs up on this one. It's time to leave the cities to the rats and live like human beings.
Those of you from NEW Yark Ceetee to pun the Pace Picante Commercial will have not a clue but that can't be helped.
that vice pays to virtue." When someone brazenly
tramples all over individual rights, what have we
got left?
I didn't really think that Trump was a free-
enterprise man, but I didn't know he would turn
out to be as bad as this. Ayn Rand quite proper-
ly condemned the notion that "Man's rights can-
not be violated except for a good purpose."
You either have a right to your property, or you
do not. Eminent domain is a brazen violation of
the rights of man. I am certainly not going to
vote for Trump in the Republican primary.
You should read Leonard Peikoff's The Ominous Parallels, in which he describes how Hitler came to power as the compromise candidate appealing to both sides in a battle between ideological socialists and conservative nationalists. Both sides embraced altruist sacrifice to collectivism, which is what they got.
https://reason.com/blog/2015/06/15/ch...
Crapitalism is something like the 'facilities', the 'loo' the WC. Where everyone's involved in odiforous effluent ejecta or giving back.
Congress is a combination of the two.
Government is the result
It doesn't get that bad until After the talking head spin shows and vomitus ejecta is added to the mix.
But again, his plans for reigning in gun control and other Leftist causes outweigh this major mistake.
If one looks back at the actual elections- what did we get? Exactly the same philosophical corruptions you are identifying now. The winners all had terrible traits in one way or another, reflecting philosophical weaknesses or cronyism of their supporters. So if you say I have a low estimate of politics today, you are indeed correct, and I think I am correctly identifying how things are
How did Ron Paul do in his candidacy? Zero chance at election. How about rand Paul? Farthest either gets is congress. Imagine how far ayn rand would get today? Even libertarian candidates for president? Zero chance for election today.
I would say even trump has a slim chance of beating one of the democrats, but the other republican candidates have far less chances. Look at obamas election- twice !! He is an arrogant socialist who has us in two useless wars, has nearly bankrupted our dollar, presided over an out of control NSA, took over medical care without even reading the bill and flat out lying about it. What does that tell you about politics today? I am thinking Obama could be re elected AGAIN if he could run.
Trump's popularity is that he is a non politician , not part of the political establishment. He is not strangled by political correctness, and he is a successful businessman. Those things "might" get him a total of 271 ( I think that's the number) of the electoral college votes needed. It's a longer way off yet, but I just don't see any others of the current crop of repub candidates doing that
a. Settle For Hillary and lose all control of DNC
b. Bernie? Whose tie really is red the color of international socialism.
c. Biden - controllable when he isn't out of control but always good for a sexist laugh.
d. Kerry who isn't female and it's there turn and has a lot of dirty baggage himself. Also hard to control.
OR
do you take Choice Five and/or Six and quietly pull support from whomever for the left wing candidate and shift support to right wing of the left wing candidate?
That would be Trump or Fiorino. Both RINO meaning both Democrats and Carly has admitted it.
Both destroyers and looters
One easy to control the other who can't decide where to aim or when to quit shooting
ONE female
ONE acceptable to the full time leftists
I'm betting she'll back a loser for the Demo candidate and a winner for the Dumbo candidate and what the hell - she controls both of them anyway.
Unless this Freedom Coalition thing gathers momentum.....
But it won't as long as you all righteous debaters can't get your act together. Operative words are 'act' and 'together'
One of the reasons Wasserman has so much power. There is no real competition.
I don't think the profit of an individual takes precedence over the property of another and even in the case of a 'Highway', the price of taking someone's property should be a heavy one.
Believe it or not, that idea is something our biblical ancestors learned; but that is a different story.
It is fully in accord with his blowhard campaign of personal smears and Pragmatist disregard for principles subjugated to "deals". He's not the only such power seeker in politics (or elsewhere), but it's frightening that he has been able to emotionally manipulate so many people to support him in a presidential campaign. People are thoroughly frustrated with politicians but don't understand the principles necessary to put the country back on track.
Hopefully, my prediction will come true and he will have faded away by march/April.
I feel the Historical Societies need to declare any building over 50 years old historical and needing preserving is wrong. Or them telling you what color you can and can't paint your historical house because it isn't a period color.
When you pay the taxes on it,you can paint it any color you like.
Where's the line between preserving the past, progress and property rights?
Trump has not been talking about eminent domain for preservationism, but has endorsed the general principle of forcing people to give up their private property for the so-called "public good". He may not even know that the National Park Service, as well as other agencies at all levels of government, have for a century been using eminent domain extensively to ruthlessly seize private property for wilderness, recreational and historical areas, but he has tipped us off about what he would do with traditional government power once in office as he parades his abuse in the name of the "public good".
I believe this was the original intent of Eminent Domain.
I think the problem is, ED had no scope to its reach.
Should Trump be able to use ED to force that lady out of her house for the casino? No. But,she should have taken the money and ran.
Should ED be used to kick someone out of their house for a park? No. Maybe provide for the gov't getting right to first refusal should the owner wish to sell.
Should ED be used for roads, damn, etc. I'd say there's a case there.
I can't imagine the Interstate being built around peoples houses that refused to budge.
You don't get to tell other people they should "take the money and run". The owner of the home in Atlantic City chose not to sell it and refused Trump's higher offers because they were irrelevant to her. You don't decide that.
Seizing a "right of first refusal" is a seizure of private property rights to sell to whomever one chooses at the price agreed on without government obstruction driving potential buyers away and driving down the market value. There is a long history of this abuse with broken promises and arrogant muscling of property owners because government was allowed to assume privileges over other people's property.
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Ca...
I would say Rand Paul is the least bad, but he is not electable in this majority rules culture. Ben Carson is probably the next least bad, although the religiosity kind of bothers me (I dont know what his "god" is going to secretly tell him to do). Trump is the next in line, who at least brings up the subjects that our populace needs to really think about (no one else does that). Our culture has degenerated very far into non-thinking and socialism. If the people are going to eventually embrace freedom and private property, they have to start thinking and this debate will help with that. Its going to take a long time I suspect. The Trumps and Snowdens help a lot to keep the secret operations of government from getting out.
For THAT reason, I am going to vote in the order above for whoever makes to the general election. The rest of the group are either idiots or religious zealots. The democratic ones are total jokes.
Trump said he supported eminent domain and the Kelo decision. I do not agree with Trump on this, but ...
1. ...
2. Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, and these kinds of people who he is surrounding himself with are going to straighten him out over time ... ;
3. Eminent domain is a minor issue when compared to Trump's [stand] on immigration, health care, veterans, jobs creation, foreign policy, overhauling the tax system, abolishing regulations,...;
4. ... Trump's frank answer is an indication that we will always know where he stands (he knows this view is not popular with the people who support him); and
5. I do not expect Trump to be perfectly aligned with all my values. He's got the big ones nailed, though.
[All] that makes this not a deal-killer to me. ...
The viro movement is pushing for government acquisition of private property on a massive scale right now. They are demanding a perpetual entitlement of a billion dollars every year for acquisition of private property. They refuse to consider eliminating eminent domain as a restriction on the funding. This is not a "minor" problem.
1. Republican RINO
2. Left Wing socialist corporatist
3. Establishment
4. Looter
5. your item 3. he'll say anything panderer
6. Lightly taped - for the moment - easily erased on #5 I seen zero values in the dude except "ME."
Trump’s policies aren’t left wing. Leftists love open immigration more than anything, Trump says he would curtail immigration. Leftists love regulations, Trump says he would cancel 90% of them. Lefts love gun control, he supports the 2nd amendment. One could go on.
Trump may be a plutocrat but he’s going against the plutocrat Establishment. He’s lost a lot of plutocrat friends for doing it. That he’s had to bribe politicians to get something built is the fault of government. (Edison wined and dine politicians in order to get them to approve his building electric power stations.)
Trump is a producer rather than a looter. It’s too bad he tried to use eminent domain three times. (He failed in the courts each time, but still he tried.) His virtues more than counterbalance this.
He speaks forthrightly. He’s less politically correct than any other candidate.
Of course I don't mind using them.
Trump has my vote. He is so much more honest than all the rest of the candidates (perhaps Rand Paul would be my first choice, but he isnt going to make it to the general election) its refreshing and we need 4 years of that.
Ben Carson is too quiet and I doubt he will make it to the general election.