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Trump: Eminent Domain "Wonderful"

Posted by sdesapio 8 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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From the article: "I think eminent domain is wonderful if you're building a highway and you need to build as an example, a highway, and you're going to be blocked by a hold-out or in some cases, it's a hold-out, just so you understand, nobody knows this better than I do, I built a lot of buildings in Manhattan and you'll have 12 sites and you'll get 11 and you'll have the one hold-out and you end up building around them and everything else," Trump said Tuesday on Special Report.

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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree. There are times when government should have the ability to declare eminent domain for the construction of public facilities - especially roads. But they should pay a fair price for those properties (which accounts for degraded property values, etc.) and the process should be open to public hearing and comment so alternatives can be suggested and debated.

    The problem with eminent domain as it has been used recently is in the distortion of the purpose from eminent domain to cronyism. That is where Trump fits in, as he has been a crony recipient of eminent domain's use and therefore supports such policies.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Now we get to it. Just who else could defeat Hillary or sanders? Like it or not, election of a president relies on getting a majority. It's to a large degree a popularity contest supported by media manipulations. Philosophical arguments fall on the deaf ears of a non thinking public we have in this culture presently. 20,000 gulchers aren't going to get rand Paul elected. $200m fed to a media who put up phony smiling pics of a normally power hungry and vicious Hillary is more powerful TODAY than philosophical arguments. Before rationality comes to politics, the people have to start thinking, and that takes education that takes more time than before the next election. Bush , with his huge contributors and family cronyism connections is the next best chance to defeat Hillary. Look what his brother did to the country with Iraq and afghan wars. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You really want a third bush if he defeats Hillary? Which I personally doubt.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 8 months ago
    What eminent domain reflects is a stagnant model of human society. Our continued adherence to a highly centralized population center system is medieval. With technology improvements, there is no reason we can't begin the change to a more distributed model of networked villages and distributed power systems. It's always been the mentality of an artificial need for big projects needing runaway land grabs that drive the desire for government confiscation of private property.

    Overcoming the medieval model of huge population centers won't be easy, with much capital at stake, and environmentalists screaming about wanting to contain the contagion that is humanity, so that it does as little damage to the wild countryside as possible. Agenda 21 only reinforces this defunct model, attempting to further compress the human population into ever larger rat warrens in the name of "efficiency".

    Trump's view is only natural, given the source of his wealth, dealing in conventional large, centralized real estate projects. I'm amused about all the moral indignation over his position, when our default societal model demands such invasion of individual rights.

    I'd bet that if Trump bought into the idea of a more rational distributed societal model, his view on eminent domain would be quite different. The challenge and the gamble involved would be hard for him to resist.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So you would definitely not like the other candidates like Cruz. Rubio. Footing. Huckabee and probably the rest of them for playing the god card either. Certainly you would definitely not like the disgusting pandering to the pope that went on. Then we come to the really dangerous people like Obama. , Hillary, and sanders who would cause very real and extensive damage to our way of life. Fact of the matter is that trump would be a hell of a lot better than any other electable repub candidates and he probably is the only one who could spare us the real destruction of Hillary or sanders. Dump trump and you will get Hillary or sanders in November 2016
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Knowing what he is the basis for opposing Trump, not supporting him. Would you have supported Hitler because he openly announced what he was?
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump is denounced for what he is. He is a dangerous false alternative and not the only one who could defeat the Democrats, if he could at all. That so many conservatives are easily stampeded into supporting this demagogue shoes how intellectually weak the conservatives are as they emotionally rush to jump on a bandwagon for a statist demagogue.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Openly endorsing eminent domain as "wonderful" is not being an angel compared to anyone, and it's not his only problem. There is no excuse for it. Claiming Trump as a hero and the "only Republican" who can beat Hilary Clinton is ridiculous. There is no objective basis for claiming this big mouth with a record can beat the Democrats at all.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yelling that his favorite book is the Bible, waving a Bible in the air, and rationalizing expanded eminent domain as justified by the "public good" is more than pandering.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
    THIS is definitely a RINO Thread. They all came out to play. So the RINOs are endorsing two of the Government Party Candidates for President. Meanwhile the left wing of the left is trying to defuze and refuse the Hillary Bomb with four choices. If you were D. Wasserman would choose

    a. Settle For Hillary and lose all control of DNC
    b. Bernie? Whose tie really is red the color of international socialism.
    c. Biden - controllable when he isn't out of control but always good for a sexist laugh.
    d. Kerry who isn't female and it's there turn and has a lot of dirty baggage himself. Also hard to control.

    OR

    do you take Choice Five and/or Six and quietly pull support from whomever for the left wing candidate and shift support to right wing of the left wing candidate?

    That would be Trump or Fiorino. Both RINO meaning both Democrats and Carly has admitted it.

    Both destroyers and looters

    One easy to control the other who can't decide where to aim or when to quit shooting

    ONE female

    ONE acceptable to the full time leftists

    I'm betting she'll back a loser for the Demo candidate and a winner for the Dumbo candidate and what the hell - she controls both of them anyway.

    Unless this Freedom Coalition thing gathers momentum.....

    But it won't as long as you all righteous debaters can't get your act together. Operative words are 'act' and 'together'

    One of the reasons Wasserman has so much power. There is no real competition.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Another reason for Wasserman to back Carly and dump Hillary! For the left Hillary versus Carly would be perfect win win win.for Wasserman she can steer votes to Carly, get what DNC wants and continue to control as she does the RINOs now with a fresh clean slate.

    This notion has legs!!!

    I'm assuming you read the other posts on Wasserman's problem with the Hillary Bomb
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What company would that be? As someone who lived through her reign of arsehattery at HP, surely you don't mean the one she gutted and essentially ensured would fail. Which it has been doing. She did what she did at HP to pad her resume, not for improving the business. It shows in how it fared during and after she let Compaq buy HP with HP's money.

    Given his arrogance I'd expect Trump has has more effect and influence in his companies in their attempt to produce real things than Carly had on HP. The effect Carly had was to decrease it.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Denouncing trump will just insure Hillary wins. I don't want that to happen and I don't see any other republican candidate able to beat her. This country can't stand another Obama regime
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder why all this vitriol about trump when he is an angel when compared with any of the democratic candidates and is the ONLY republican with a chance in hell of beating the democratic candidate. Denouncing trump will just insure Hilary's election, a much worse end result
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can only vote within the choice on the ballot at the time, like any them or not, or not vote at all if it makes no significant difference. Here we are discussing the threat of Donald Trump's policies and philosophy. Comparing Trump to other candidates who may or may not be on the ballot is no justification for supporting him for what he is.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The use of eminent domain changes depending on who is running the government. Trump holds an explicitly Pragmatist, anti-private property rights ideology. If you don't care about your own or others' rights to one's home or land, what other rights do you think are safe from such a mentality, including under taxation? Rights are indivisible. Whether or not Trump is worse than a Democrat (which he recently was himself) is not an excuse to promote him. He is a fascistic demagogue who appeals to a certain anti-intellectual group by throwing out red meat.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A politically correct politician would say little so as not to be denigrated. At least trump tells us where he is at
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's so early yet. Carson is declining too and so is Hillary. Sanders is increasing and Biden is about to jump in. I will vote for rand Paul first, probably trump second, and Carson third. Depending on wh is on repub ballot
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Some of them probably are significantly "better", i.e., less worse, and yes they do have a good chance of being elected against the kind of junk the Democrats are putting forth. But it depends on how they campaign. Whatever their success could be, it doesn't make Trump a viable candidate that is any better. He is currently popular (though declining) with a certain group he panders to, but the more he talks, the more repetitively shallow and nutty he reveals himself to be.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Whether or not he reads it (and I doubt it, too), he is wildly endorsing it and certainly believes in religious premises in general as the ideal.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Howie Carr's Boston radio show (broadcast into several states) had a major segment on Trump and eminent domain today. Fortunately the word is spreading and the outrage along with it. This is a very big issue. There was an uproar over the Kelo Supreme Court decision expanding eminent domain -- which Trump endorsed -- 10 years ago and the problem is much bigger than most people are aware. Tens of thousands of people have been force out of their homes, land and businesses for National Parks alone. This is not just about urban development.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump's "honest" behavior as an open demagogue is not a reason to vote for him.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Eminent domain is not a minor problem for those abused by it. This is not a matter of not being "perfectly aligned". The man is an anti-private property rights nationalist. He is also a demagogue, manipulating people with outrageous statements while avoiding any statement of principle and policy that any individualist requires. It is too late and too fundamental to expect him to be reformed by "Sarah Palin" and "Mark Levin". Mark Levin is himself an apologist for Trump, pretending that he is not responsible for his unethical use and public promotion of eminent domain. Levin claimed that companies that he has no control over are doing it in his name. This is a farce. Trump has been all over national and international TV for years openly promoting and boasting of his eminent domain.

    The viro movement is pushing for government acquisition of private property on a massive scale right now. They are demanding a perpetual entitlement of a billion dollars every year for acquisition of private property. They refuse to consider eliminating eminent domain as a restriction on the funding. This is not a "minor" problem.
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