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Atlas Shrugged -- For Adults Only

Posted by starlisa 10 years, 4 months ago to Books
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The first thing I read by Rand was Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.

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THIS ARTICLE REPURPOSED FROM: http://lamrot-hakol.blogspot.com/2012/10...

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The other day, I was talking to my partner about Atlas Shrugged at the dinner table, and my 12 year old daughter asked what it was. I told her it's a book by Ayn Rand, and that she can't read it until she's 21.

My partner stared at me and asked why. After all, I'm an Objectivist. I think Rand's philosophy is incredibly important. So why would I bar my daughter from reading it until she's an adult?

I've felt this way for at least a decade, but given the President's comments about Ayn Rand's books being something you'd pick up as a 17-18 year old feeling misunderstood, and then get rid of once you realized that thinking only about yourself wasn't enough, I thought it would be worthwhile to explain why kids shouldn't read Atlas Shrugged.

The thing is, Obama is right. In a way. Let me explain that.

I didn't read Atlas Shrugged until I was 33 years old. In fact, other than Anthem, which I may have read in passing in high school, I never read anything of Rand's until I was 32, and I started with her essays. Maybe I'll post about how and why I got into those at a later date. But as someone who didn't get into Rand's philosophy as a kid, it took me a while to realize that for the vast majority of people, reading it as a teenager is almost inevitably going to create the opposite effect that Rand had in mind.

There's a common misconception that Objectivism is about being selfish and grasping and greedy. It's an understandable misunderstanding. After all, Rand wrote a book of essays called The Virtue of Selfishness. She spoke against altruism and in favor of selfishness. The thing is, though, that in Rand's writing, those are "terms of art". A term of art, or jargon, is a word that's used a specific way in a specific field, regardless of how it's used colloquially. In politics, to "depose" means to remove a leader. In law, to "depose" means to have someone give a deposition. In medicine, an "ugly" infection is one that doesn't respond well to antibiotics.

We're all familiar with groups "reclaiming" perogative words. "Queer" was an insult when I was growing up, and it still is for a lot of people. Yet to the younger generation of GLBT teens, "queer" is simply how they identify. Rand used the term "selfish" to mean acting to further ones long term and global well being, given the understanding that we are not alone in the world, and that what I do to others can be done to me as well. There is no other way to describe that in a single world, so far as I'm aware, than selfishness. Or if we allow a modifier, "rational selfishness".

But Rand failed. She failed to communicate this in a way that would be clear enough to get past the negative connotations of selfishness as meaning a blind, grasping devotion to ones short term desires, paying no attention to the world around us. Even expanding the term to "rational selfishness" didn't work, because people understood "rational" to mean "cold and unemotional" and concluded that "rational selfishness" meant cold, hard, unemotional, uncaring selfishness. Like a robot that lacks all empathy.

But adolescents are a different story. Adolescence is a time when we are detaching ourselves from our role as dependent children, and learning to stand on our own, personally empowered. When I was 17, I remember one evening during an argument with my father, exclaiming, "You're a person, and I'm a person. Why should you have any more right to decide than I do!" And I was absolutely convinced of my righteousness. Two years later, when my younger brother was 17, I heard him say virtually the exact same thing. I looked at my father and said, "I'm so sorry, Dad. And I wish there was some way I could explain it to him." But I knew there wasn't. You can't explain that to an adolescent. They have to learn to grow up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around them.

Which is one of the reasons why a lot of adolescents love Atlas Shrugged. They miss the bigger picture, and only pick up on the message that they shouldn't have to sacrifice themselves for others. Which is a good message, but they conflate it with their irrational selfishness. Their self-centered, almost solipsistic view of the world. And when they do grow up, as most of them do, they jettison Objectivism, thinking that it's part and parcel of the adolescent mindset they no longer need.

And that's why Obama said what he did. It's absolutely true that 17 and 18 year olds who are feeling misunderstood, and whose self is feeling threatened would pick up Atlas Shrugged and see it as a vindication of what they're feeling. And it's absolutely true that someone like that reading the book would, in the vast majority of cases, throw it away once they grow up and realize that we're all in this together, so to speak.

And that's why I won't let my daughter read the book. Because it takes a certain amount of maturity to understand that the kind of altruism that says doing for others is always more moral than doing for oneself is evil and anti-human, but that benevolence and empathy are vitally important virtues. The vice of altruism always leads to bad results in the long run, even if it may seem beneficial in the short term. Because giving requires a recipient. And if receiving is a bad thing, there's always going to be someone bad and wretched. More than that, you're always going to need poor people, because without them, you can never be virtuous. It's an ugly world that raises altruism up as the highest virtue.

Perhaps we need to find another term to reflect what Rand called "selfishness". The battle to reclaim that word was lost before it even started. All it does now is feed into the ignorance of the left.


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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    say you're insulted and state why. heck, religion insults me daily. I only say "bite me" when I want to get bit. ;)
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, but most all religions started out as, and exist for the purpose of explaining the nature and purpose of existence. As I said in another post, science can answer how the universe is, but it can't answer why.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hm. Then what would you consider an appropriate insult to offer in return?
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    IMHO, you keep insisting on a wrong definition of selfish. It's simply: (of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure: I joined them for selfish reasons. I'm not sure why you're so insistent about a basic concept of a philosophy you seem interested in.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can't agree that religion is philosophy. It's not. Greek - 'love of knowledge', "the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, esp. when considered as an academic discipline."

    As far as changing words to suit a wrong or twisted definitional understanding, what do you gain? I think it just gets you stuck in intellectual mud. If you're allowing others to redefine your philosophical language, particularly in describing first principles, then you don't have your own philosophy.
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  • Posted by $ Commander 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the clarity on (verbal-symbols).....I thought I was alone in this perspective.
    I've been "mining" the gulch for "precious"....can sleep well now. Very enriched.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    it depends. Is this discussion advanced? Is the other party not willing to advance the discussion? By all means, solicit being bit. It's a legitimate offer. Let me know if it was accepted.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Generosity is inborn. Altruism is a learned perversity" - Robert A. Heinlein
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    khalling, do I get in trouble if I tell him 'bite me'?

    As a Christian, selfishness is *not* a predefine sin. For thousands of years, the teachings of Jesus have been appropriated to gather wealth for those who use religion, and with it political power. But, that doesn't make it predefined.
    Even the list of 7 deadly sins doesn't include "selfishness".


    A proud look
    A lying tongue
    Hands that shed innocent blood
    A heart that devises wicked plots
    Feet that are swift to run into mischief
    A deceitful witness that uttereth lies
    Him that soweth discord among brethren

    The definition of avarice is excessive or insatiable appetite for wealth... but even that's not selfishness.
    Compiled half a millennium after Christ, the common list doesn't include selfishness, since selfishness implies hoarding or taking to oneself *at the expense of or to the detriment of others*.

    gluttony
    fornication, lust
    avarice/greed
    hubris, pride
    sorrow/despair/despondency
    wrath
    vainglory
    sloth

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  • Posted by NickyBics 10 years, 4 months ago
    When I was 10 my dad came home in a foul mood. He had been introduced to the works of AR when we had lived in Canada for 6 years a few years earlier. Now he was living in a Britain in which 10289-like laws had seen the lights of industry go out for 2 days every week and the local evening paper's headline warn us of a baker's strike the following day that would see us having to queue for our bread in the morning. I remember well him shouting at the paper "what would they do if I went on strike?"! Now, I remember it with fondness but then I was frightened. My father usually came home from work in a bad mood but seldom do I remember him in such a foul mood and seldom was I so frightened to even look at him.

    When he calmed down he took me for a walk during which he introduced me to Ayn Rand and to those that use altruism to enslave the people. On that fateful day I was taught to be a Capitalist and on every single day of the near 40 years that have passed since, I have questioned whether it's right to be a Capitalist. At first, those questions were directed at my father. He basically explained AR's work to me in a way that a pre-teen could understand. Then I started reading AR for myself. I read We The Living when I was 14, The Fountainhead when I was 15 and AS when I was 16. Even then though I realised that I probably only understood 10-20% of the book. In the next two years I read AR's non-fictional works such as The Virtue of Selfishness and Capitalism and with the understanding they gave me I again read AS when I was 18. This time I reckoned I understood 90% of the book. Alas, in the over 30 years since, I've not read the book (or indeed much of her work) since.

    Since my early 20's I have not let a day go by without continually questioning my belief-system. I have realised that, as in science, the only sensible way to determine the best socio-economic system for mankind to adopt to afford the most benefit to all is to use rational argument. I will give up my belief in Capitalism tomorrow if only someone could offer me a rational argument for doing so. My father taught me to be a Capitalist but I remain one today simply because no one has ever offered me a rational argument to stop being one.

    One thing I have come to learn is that by the standards of almost every single aspect of our culture the writings of Ayn Rand are mean, nasty, heartless and filthy. From Prometheus to Harry Potter, from the corruption of the Capitalist hero Robin Hood to the way the word profit is spat out in modern TV dramas and news programmes our whole culture is predicated on the concept that the purpose of your life is to live it for the benefit of others. The problem for those that advocate this is that every single organism on the planet, for the entire history of the planet, only ever gets off its fat idle backside if it or its own are the beneficiaries of that effort. Even when Ivy Starnes' real world counterparts used guns and the gulag to force their compatriots to do this un-natural thing, the resultant bread queues showed that it's an unsustainable concept.

    I disagree with your argument that AR failed. I seem to remember somewhere in her writing something along the lines of: "If my purpose is to win the propaganda battle then I should choose different words than Selfishness and Greed but if my purpose is to win the argument then they, with their dictionary definitions as they are, will do just fine". (If she didn't say it then I'd like to say it on her behalf!)

    The real issue (as identified by AR herself) is that we need to educate the masses that the concept of selflessness is not the ideal it's portrayed as and that the concept of rational-selfishness is not the evil mankind's slave-drivers have taught us it is. Inventing new less-offensive words might help with this task but I doubt it.

    As for when it's best to introduce a person to AR? Well, I shudder to think what blind alleys I would have gone down in the last 30 years had I not read AR's works in my late teens. It pains me beyond words that my 18 year old son has read on the internet that AR's writings do not fit in the real world and so seems reluctant to read any of her works. He has gained my right-wing views but without the understanding and guidance that AR's (non-fictional in particular) work offers I fear he will develop to be the sort of bigoted person at the heart of Britain's Conservative and America's Republican parties.

    I think the lesson to learn is that AR by no means got everything right (her exaltation of the man who lives by reason alone is one example), she seemed not to have lived her own life by the standards she created (an interview she gives denigrating the Arab people is - by her own teachings - sickening) and the works of AR should be treated as a guide not a bible then I suggest that, with the right guidance, AR's works can indeed be read and understood by a teenager. After all, it worked for me!
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  • Posted by tdechaine 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I assume you have not read Rand.
    Rational self-interest is essentially = rational selfishness. "The exact meaning and dictionary definition of the word “selfishness” is: concern with one’s own interests."
    "Man’s self-interest can be served only by a non-sacrificial relationship with others." A thief is not truly acting in his best interest (despite your use of terms like "absurd" or "affront to logic". Your use of "selfless" is too narrow.

    "The meaning ascribed in popular usage to the word “selfishness” is not merely wrong: it represents a devastating intellectual “package-deal,” which is responsible, more than any other single factor, for the arrested moral development of mankind." Do you really want to accept that?



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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like "selfism". I think it could work as long it was consistently defined and used within context.

    Just a question, but how do parallel and opposite work? Geometry wasn't my favorite discipline, but I believe the concept of "skew" lines is the closest I can come to visualizing what you are after there. Can you elaborate?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, but "rational self-interest" is NOT equivalent to selfishness. That's been the whole point of this argument of semantics. The words are not synonyms in any other vocabulary but your own. To continue to use such is not rational at all, but selfish, as you are trying to exchange an idea with me and set your own price - one for which I find zero value!

    And to try yet again in your vocabulary of one to redefine theft to be selfless is absurd and an affront to logic itself. Thieves think of no one EXCEPT themselves (definition of selfishness) when they steal. They are not concerned about an equitable trade at any level in either a moral or physical context. To be selfless requires an act of sacrifice of one's own property/time/etc. in order to better someone else. You can't sacrifice or give away something you don't own!

    Now really, I'm quite content to converse with someone who can come up with a cogent argument, but you're doubling down on nothing more than your own irrationality at this point. Neither you nor I is going to have any more success with attempting to redefine selfishness than Ayn Rand did when she tried it. Choosing to continue to do something that has been done before and expecting a different outcome isn't rationality, but rather obstinate stupidity and a complete waste of time.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand fully what you are saying. But it is up to Objectivists and others who appreciate proper definitions to educate those who use whatever connotations of words that suit them. The ultimate goal should always be to get the proper definitions of words understood and accepted, not the improper ones tolerated and then have to have inappropriate alternative ones created to simply explain the differences.

    Note that Rand did not "co-op" the term; she defined it (as with all other words) going back to the root of words and to create a cohesive philosophy.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She dropped the T. Better or worse is hard to say. She is a conservative, anti-immigration, the whole bit. All I care about is that when she was 18, she got a job as a telemarketer, saved her money, moved to South Beach, and lived happily ever after. I just sent her a printout of an article by Barbara Branden. She watched Atlas Shrugged Part 1 and liked it, really identifying with Dagny. I figure it all evens out.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rand was trying to co-opt a term already in general philosophical usage (what is religion other than philosophy) that has a pretty defined meaning. She wasn't trying to form a concept as much as redefine an existing one, and she didn't even have the media to help her.

    Inappropriate? Wrong word. Pointless? Absolutely. When a concept is already defined and you are outnumbered a billion to one against changing it, I have to question your definition of who is rational.

    Again, go back to the point of persuasion and conversation - you have to start from common ground and common lingo. Starting off by trying to define your own terms for everything is bound to fail to persuade the listener - and even less so when you are trying to replace a term already in their vocabulary with such a core foundational meaning and significance.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She was a 14-year old girl. You must know that from both sides. People ARE different, of course. When she was in kindergarten, she came home to announce her support for the Democratic Party presidential ticket. I did not argue politics with her. I was happy that she knew about it. I also knew that she got that from a teacher, but I was not going to get in the middle of that. If I denigrated the teacher, why then should my child obey classroom rules?
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  • Posted by SkipStein 10 years, 4 months ago
    I totally disagree. I gave my oldest Grandson Atlas Shrugged after re-reading it a few years ago; he was a high school junior (not a University of Florida Freshman). He has some dificulties getting through some of the more involved sections but got through it. Shortly thereafter the first Atlas Shrugged movie was released and we went together. I think he was the youngest in the audience by about 30 years!

    Afterwards, while I attended to the rest room, I found him in a detailed discussion with a gentleman in his 70's about the content, impact and social implications the movie presented and how well it represented the book. I was amazed at his cogent discussion.

    I hope he will carry insights into his college years as a foundation to combat the horrendous liberal bias on most/all college campuses. SO far so good I think.

    You can never begin to expand your mind too soon but only can do so when your reading comprehension capacity allows it to be so. My grandson was reading Harry Potter with me at age 5 so he got a jump start!

    Cheers,
    Skip Stein
    Management Systems Consulting, Inc.
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  • Posted by Channingsr 10 years, 4 months ago
    I see the selfish people in AS as the government people. Every one had his own agenda despite the BS they spouted. Hank has what I have come to call Enlightened Self-Interest. He understood that nobody ever made a fortune without the help of others but the leaders really ought to get paid a lot more than those they provide jobs for. Generally speaking politicians provide little for anyone and should be rewarded accordingly.
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