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Atlas Shrugged -- For Adults Only

Posted by starlisa 10 years, 4 months ago to Books
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The first thing I read by Rand was Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.

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THIS ARTICLE REPURPOSED FROM: http://lamrot-hakol.blogspot.com/2012/10...

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The other day, I was talking to my partner about Atlas Shrugged at the dinner table, and my 12 year old daughter asked what it was. I told her it's a book by Ayn Rand, and that she can't read it until she's 21.

My partner stared at me and asked why. After all, I'm an Objectivist. I think Rand's philosophy is incredibly important. So why would I bar my daughter from reading it until she's an adult?

I've felt this way for at least a decade, but given the President's comments about Ayn Rand's books being something you'd pick up as a 17-18 year old feeling misunderstood, and then get rid of once you realized that thinking only about yourself wasn't enough, I thought it would be worthwhile to explain why kids shouldn't read Atlas Shrugged.

The thing is, Obama is right. In a way. Let me explain that.

I didn't read Atlas Shrugged until I was 33 years old. In fact, other than Anthem, which I may have read in passing in high school, I never read anything of Rand's until I was 32, and I started with her essays. Maybe I'll post about how and why I got into those at a later date. But as someone who didn't get into Rand's philosophy as a kid, it took me a while to realize that for the vast majority of people, reading it as a teenager is almost inevitably going to create the opposite effect that Rand had in mind.

There's a common misconception that Objectivism is about being selfish and grasping and greedy. It's an understandable misunderstanding. After all, Rand wrote a book of essays called The Virtue of Selfishness. She spoke against altruism and in favor of selfishness. The thing is, though, that in Rand's writing, those are "terms of art". A term of art, or jargon, is a word that's used a specific way in a specific field, regardless of how it's used colloquially. In politics, to "depose" means to remove a leader. In law, to "depose" means to have someone give a deposition. In medicine, an "ugly" infection is one that doesn't respond well to antibiotics.

We're all familiar with groups "reclaiming" perogative words. "Queer" was an insult when I was growing up, and it still is for a lot of people. Yet to the younger generation of GLBT teens, "queer" is simply how they identify. Rand used the term "selfish" to mean acting to further ones long term and global well being, given the understanding that we are not alone in the world, and that what I do to others can be done to me as well. There is no other way to describe that in a single world, so far as I'm aware, than selfishness. Or if we allow a modifier, "rational selfishness".

But Rand failed. She failed to communicate this in a way that would be clear enough to get past the negative connotations of selfishness as meaning a blind, grasping devotion to ones short term desires, paying no attention to the world around us. Even expanding the term to "rational selfishness" didn't work, because people understood "rational" to mean "cold and unemotional" and concluded that "rational selfishness" meant cold, hard, unemotional, uncaring selfishness. Like a robot that lacks all empathy.

But adolescents are a different story. Adolescence is a time when we are detaching ourselves from our role as dependent children, and learning to stand on our own, personally empowered. When I was 17, I remember one evening during an argument with my father, exclaiming, "You're a person, and I'm a person. Why should you have any more right to decide than I do!" And I was absolutely convinced of my righteousness. Two years later, when my younger brother was 17, I heard him say virtually the exact same thing. I looked at my father and said, "I'm so sorry, Dad. And I wish there was some way I could explain it to him." But I knew there wasn't. You can't explain that to an adolescent. They have to learn to grow up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around them.

Which is one of the reasons why a lot of adolescents love Atlas Shrugged. They miss the bigger picture, and only pick up on the message that they shouldn't have to sacrifice themselves for others. Which is a good message, but they conflate it with their irrational selfishness. Their self-centered, almost solipsistic view of the world. And when they do grow up, as most of them do, they jettison Objectivism, thinking that it's part and parcel of the adolescent mindset they no longer need.

And that's why Obama said what he did. It's absolutely true that 17 and 18 year olds who are feeling misunderstood, and whose self is feeling threatened would pick up Atlas Shrugged and see it as a vindication of what they're feeling. And it's absolutely true that someone like that reading the book would, in the vast majority of cases, throw it away once they grow up and realize that we're all in this together, so to speak.

And that's why I won't let my daughter read the book. Because it takes a certain amount of maturity to understand that the kind of altruism that says doing for others is always more moral than doing for oneself is evil and anti-human, but that benevolence and empathy are vitally important virtues. The vice of altruism always leads to bad results in the long run, even if it may seem beneficial in the short term. Because giving requires a recipient. And if receiving is a bad thing, there's always going to be someone bad and wretched. More than that, you're always going to need poor people, because without them, you can never be virtuous. It's an ugly world that raises altruism up as the highest virtue.

Perhaps we need to find another term to reflect what Rand called "selfishness". The battle to reclaim that word was lost before it even started. All it does now is feed into the ignorance of the left.


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  • Posted by tdechaine 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So you are saying that Rand's goal of properly defining (in an objective philosophical context) such terms was inappropriate? You are dissing proper concept formation and resulting definitions for the sake of convenient "definitions" used by irrational people.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is totally incorrect. That's why Rand used the somewhat redundant term "rational self-interest." You are not acting (rationally) selfishly if you hurt others you care for in the process or if the action is immoral. Theft is actually selfless, not selfish: the thief does not actually gain in a moral sense. E.g. Madoff did not act selfishly; and look where his actions got him.
    Read Rand's book on this subject.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, Judaism doesn't see selfishness as necessarily bad. Its justification for killing in self-defense is "Who says his blood is redder than yours?"

    I think "selfism"would be a much better term than selfishness. Parallel and opposite to altruism (other-ism). I'm proud to call myself a selfist.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like that. Never understood why the word altruism twinged my spidey-sense, but that clarification was very instructive. Thanks.

    I've always preferred the term charity, anyways, using the definition: service done out of sincere care for another without expectation of compensation. I can't call government welfare that because they are expecting compensation: votes and power.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Semantics are incredibly important. Unless we can agree on the definitional foundations of words as describing certain concepts, language ceases from meaning and communication stops.

    I would also point out that self-interest is tempered selfishness. True selfishness is unbridled. I will give you an example.

    In the market, those who consummate a transaction are NOT acting solely on selfishness and thinking only of themselves. A market transaction occurs when both sides MAXIMIZE the utility of the transaction, but both still incur a cost. The difference is that each side compares the cost to the value gained and is satisfied. Selfishness happens when one side bears a cost that is higher than the value they gained from the transaction. Theft is a pursuit of selfishness. Why? Because it crosses the line where one party benefits at the expense of another.

    When pursuing self-interest, both parties can be satisfied and you have a win-win situation. When one party seeks only to be satisfied at a cost which is unsatisfactory to the other, you have the conditions for selfishness. It should also be noted that selfishness also entails a portion of coercion or force, since without it, the transaction simply fails to take place.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is it not irrational to persist in redefining the color blue? Rationality must be judged in the method by which a goal is achieved as well as the end results, is it not?

    I'll give you another reason why you fight a losing battle: religion. To anyone who is Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc., selfishness is a predefined sin with a very concrete definition from which society has derived its use. Even the irreligious left use it as a brow-beating stick to implement their welfare principles. In short, you are never going to alter the definition of selfishness no matter how much you want to try to justify it. Far more effective to leave selfishness as it is presently defined and use another term and argument.
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  • Posted by lmarrott 10 years, 4 months ago
    I found Rand and AS in a roundabout way. On the one hand I actually saw it a few times here and there at houses or stores and had this strange desire to read it. Having no idea what it was. But then it was a Fantasy author I read who revealed that he tried to have his main character portray objectivism as best as he could that got me to try it out.

    So I was probably about 25 when I read AS for the first time. However what I found was that it lined up with many things about who I am better than anything else ever had before. Not to say I had it all figured out, but little things.

    For example my family knows I'm stubborn. Not only stubborn but I will not accept help from them, especially monetary help. When I graduated HS it did not occur to me that I could ask my parents to help pay for college, so I joined the military as a way to get out of the house and begin supporting myself in a way.

    So while I agree that I may not have gotten as much out of it in High School I think I would have loved it and gotten something out of it even then. And I agree with khalling and many others when I get more out of it every time I read it.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    great point. but once you labeled her, isn't it kind of hard to shake? Behaving like one is different than making it a core principle guiding all of your actions.
    I always use Mother Theresa to illustrate egoTist.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    People tried POSSLQ back in the 70s for unmarried couples living together. It was lame and never caught on, but it made for some great jokes on late night tv. Forget nifio.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think younger people are just trying to expand their world. they are just as likely to embrace a rational world. However, the irrational world is all around them whispering in their ear to ignore their senses and and thinking mind. "let it go" "give into it" "worry about it tomorrow" are heady, hollow concepts.
    They are tired of hearing their parents tell them to "invest in their future" while watching their parents support the opposite. "I own myself" is a very powerful concept to explore. They just have to hear it for the first time.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah... no. And it doesn't mean sexual anything. It's short for life partner, and it's more or less the equivalent of spouse, but without waving a red flag in the faces of people who will get all hot and bothered about stuff.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    which end of intelligence is your 0.5%?
    (I hate making assumptions...)
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree. I think younger people are more open to new ideas. Not necessarily rational ones.
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  • Posted by katboh 10 years, 4 months ago
    An interesting post which made me reflect. One thing that bothers me though is lumping mature/immature people into age categories, which seem to be arbitrary. Twelve years old is perhaps too young, but I think it depends more on the individual maturity, intelligence and reading skills than anything else. But how do you know that your daughter won't be ready until 21? Are you saying that at 18 (and some states 17), she'd be able to vote and have a say in politics of her country or even to enlist and risk her life for her country, but not be able to read and understand AS? If she is raised in an environment when you and your partner are objectivists and surely lead by example showing her values you believe in, why not assume the best: that she will be able to understand in her own time and that both of you will recognize that time. Why create an arbitrary line? There surely won't be any miraculous switch in her brain happening on the night of her 21st birthday.
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  • Posted by BradA 10 years, 4 months ago
    I read my first Rand as a senior in college (20). Reading it at that point simply affirmed and clarified my already developed philosophy. At the time I found it reassuring and it reinforced the path I had chosen. I am not sure what impact it would have had if I had consumed it in high school, before my own thoughts had gelled. Having Objectivism spoon fed to me would probably not have gone down well as I've always been stubborn about needing to reach my own conclusions. I am grateful that I was exposed to it at what seemed to be exactly the right time. Starlisa's characterization of the thought processes of teenagers is a gross oversimplification. I am sure there are some that can probably handle it as teens, while others might not be ready until their 30's. And then there are those, who apparently make up the majority of our voting population, based on the last election, who will never be ready and who will never get it. And this is why I am following John Galt's path.
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  • Posted by MIKEinLB68 10 years, 4 months ago
    Choosing when a child - especially your own child - reads a book, is not the same as banning them from it. Algebra is not a sensible subject to introduce to someone unfamiliar with addition or multiplication. Worse, if the person in question has serious misunderstanding concerning arithmetic. Sometimes a faulty understanding of a concept needs to be destroyed before you can go on.
    Dagny called him "The Destroyer." And she was accidentally correct. Before anyone from the outside world entered the Gulch, they had to lose their misunderstanding of how the world truly worked. They had to undergo a very severe mental / social / ethical maturation. None were invited before they were ready. They had to grow up.
    I read Anthem in High School but didn't dive into AS and Fountainhead until I was in college. I was ready for them then. After 12 years of Catholics school, it took a little time for me to understand, embrace and cherish the word "ego." Maybe "baby steps" are what I needed. The idea that one should never live one's life for another person would have been monstrous at one stage in my life. Yet it turned out to be lately obvious, sensible and acceptable at a later one. Instead of switching one set of propaganda sermons for another, I was lucky enough to be able to accept a new set of understanding based on logic and reason. I was given the theory, the ability to observe it in action and then decide whether or not it was sound enough for me to accept. I had to take a few Adult extension courses.
    Only a few are from the original Class of the Gulch - most of us others are the later freshmen who benefited from their independent study.
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  • Posted by Vinay 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rand could not have anticipated everything that could follow from reading AS. I don't blame her. There is no character that everyone can identify with. That's NOT the issue. She herself was a philosopher-novelist, not an inventor or even an engineer. She sung the ode that needed to be sung. But AS has unanticipated after-effects on very young (under 18) people. It does so BECAUSE it is an outstanding piece of work. In inadvertently slights those that are not the primary heroes like Francisco, Dagny, Hank R, and John Galt. Everyone else is a cameo actor. Ayn was under no obligation to create role models for everyone. She didn't do so.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks. One time, I said to my teenage daughter: "I am an egoist. You are an egoTist. As as egoist, I place my self-interest above the interests of other people. As an egoTist, you do not even recognize that other people have interests."
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  • Posted by $ hosscomp 10 years, 4 months ago
    I think younger people are more open to rational ideas. I also think 'selfishness" is the correct term and I don't think Rand failed in explaining it. I think anyone who would later jettison AS are second-handers like Obama anyway. And, yes, that probably is the majority.
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