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The wisdom of Ayn Rand regarding altruism

Posted by $ jbrenner 2 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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It is very tempting to send money to support the Canadian truckers and other people/causes. With the crackdown by the Canadian finance minister and crowdfunding companies and the now ubiquitous equating of such donations to "supporting terrorism", now, more than ever, Ayn Rand's persistent bashing of altruism is more relevant than ever.

No good deed goes unpunished.


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  • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
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    Sep 30, 2020 10:41:16 PM EDT
    Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 1321c7 No. 10863126
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/30/...
    Some believe the protection of Agency is what matters most.
    Some believe the declassification [public exposure of truth] and rebuilding of Agency is what matters most.
    Apply same to FBI.
    Apply same to State.
    .........
    Any attempt to buck the system, no matter severity of crime, and they will fight back [self-preservation].
    SHADOW GAME.
    Prevent public exposure of truth.
    Why?
    PEOPLE [UNITED] HAVE THE POWER.
    That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
    Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.
    Q
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 2 years, 2 months ago
    I always thought Ayn Rand was hammering the idea of compulsive altruism....that it's actually not altruism. Certainly, with charity.
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think Sealand plays a role for the UK government similar to Gitmo does for us. A black hole that’s handy to put things that you want to keep close...but not too close. At some point someone in their government got over their own ego and looked at it a different way.
    So if you’re looking for “funding” or at least being “left alone” that’s one angle.
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 2 years, 2 months ago
    The Trucker Protest was flawed from the start.
    It’s the equivalent to the old way of fighting where armies lined up on opposite sides of a field and start firing at eachother.
    There’s far too much exposure to “Bad Optics” that can be manufactured by the Left.
    This is a case in which they should just “Go Galt” and stay home. Kinda hard to throw people in jail for just staying home. Especially after a lot of the west just spent 2 years threatening and incentivizing their populations to do exactly that.
    Imagine the ethical pretzel GoFraudMe would have to create to justify removing a crowd funding effort to “Adopt a Trucker” so they could just NOT work and stay home. As if the statists in congress don’t do that EVERY SINGLE DAY with non-voluntary funding. I guess when I’m essentially “paying” them for not doing something I don’t want done, It’s not altruism. I’ve not paid them up to this point because I believe their methods to be flawed with the likelihood to cause more harm than good.

    Regarding the Cruise Ship idea. S.S. United States is available. And is in remarkably good condition. Also it was “BUILT RIGHT”. Unlike the glorified floating wedding cakes that the Italian yards churn out. No ship should be disabled electrically by one system failure. I’ve wired hospitals. It’s not hard to build redundant systems. Unless you’re a cheapskate.

    That being said I’m a Master Industrial Electrician with 30 years experience. I specialize in Automation. Systems Integration also. Those yellow robotic arms that we see in car commercials...I make those “talk” to eachother and the fixtures and conveyors around them. And it all started digging ditches while having an insatiable desire to know, not only HOW things work but, WHY they work.
    I also don’t believe anyone owes me a living. I’ve made a far better one myself.
    Consider this my application to be a Gulcher.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It could work, but I need to get back to work. I have about a month to gather the test data to prove my company is worth what my partners think it is.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Flag the vessel to the Island and use it for our shipping and passenger revenue? This could work!
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I'd rather work on a real gulch than argue about truckers!" That is part of my point. What is really in your self-interest? Working on a real Gulch would be.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Contact Gulcher johnrobert2 if you are interested in decommissioned naval vessels. If we move to an island, I will be in charge of the energy issues.

    Mobility is somewhat important as follows:
    1) Quite a few Gulchers wanted to snowbird, but not in the US if things got really bad.
    2) It is difficult to hide in plain sight any more.
    3) Hurricanes
    4) A cruise ship provides a great cover. We get the opportunity to financially support ourselves while living well. We can use it to move supplies and worthy Gulchers to our own private island. If those wanting to tax us get too aggressive, we have an escape plan.

    The flag would be ... the sign of the dollar. Those who are Gulchers would know what that meant, and those who are possibly Gulch-worthy would almost certainly ask. Would looters and moochers be attracted to such a flag? We might have to have a few extra cans of Raid.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just finished a provisional patent, and my partners are now trying to sell our company. If we find someone, or more likely a hedge fund, willing to buy us out, even after taxes, I will be able to afford a small island.

    I am looking at some at
    https://www.vladi-private-islands.de/...

    Gulcher JohnRobert2 was looking at a place in Fiji, but that is now sold.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why is mobility so important? Guess we could easily stay summer all year ;)

    Cruise ship is an interesting idea. Would think you'd need a flag of port, but maybe not. A decommissioned aircraft carrier or LHA might be another choice. Then you could put a massive solar panel on the deck to reduce energy dependence.

    I'd rather work on a real gulch than argue about truckers!
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Seasteading is certainly a possibility, but one of the things that was a common comment by Gulchers many years ago was the importance of mobility.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, that is another approach, and I endorse it, as long as we are serious (a country), and it isn't just a nice community in the US we all sit around and bitch in, until they come Ruby Ridge or Waco us.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I expect them to go after Mickelson. It is not time to shrug. It is time to quite literally leave.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is precisely why I actively discussed establishing our own real Gulch several years ago. There are so few of us that we cannot reasonably expect them not to get stronger.
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  • Posted by sdesapio 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    RE: "Now that we are in an age where you are digitally tracked as much as you are, I will argue that you can't afford to help them."
    While I do not necessarily disagree, your response is a conflation.

    Your original post suggests that donating to the truckers would be an act of altruism. It wouldn't. It would be an act of charity - which is not the same thing.

    Altruism, or Ayn Rand's stance on altruism, has nothing to do with you or anyone else donating to the truckers. Whether or not one should donate is not a matter of Ayn Rand's stance on altruism. In fact, it plays no role in the discussion.

    You appreciating the truckers and wanting them to succeed, and considering donating to their cause, does not equate to "altruism" in anyway.

    RE: "If the Great Reset continues as it starting to, there is most definitely something wrong in helping other people, because you do it at a cost far greater than you at first realize."
    This still has nothing to do with altruism. You're speaking to the risks of being charitable.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This looks like the PGA going after Mickelson for trying to create a competing organization. What would you expect them to do?

    Again, the alternative is to do what?
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Either we find the bad guys and route them or we do what? Wait and then what? They just get stronger.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Supporting the truckers may not be altruism in the traditional sense, but we will all soon find out just how self-destructive such support will be.

    As an owner of a disinfection product company that made the mistake of explaining why hydroxychloroquine worked well against COVID, I will tell you that people who have not been "doxxed" have no idea what it is like. People who have no idea of what they are talking about, but think they do, swarm like fire ants when someone accidentally disturbs their ant hill. The Soviets were vindictive, but it will soon be child's play compared to the vindictiveness we are starting to see. The surveillance tools are so advanced now that it is a completely different ballgame.

    Even the immensely popular golfer Phil Mickelson is about to be silenced: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/phil...
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know what Ayn Rand said. Now that we are in an age where you are digitally tracked as much as you are, I will argue that you can't afford to help them. If the Great Reset continues as it starting to, there is most definitely something wrong in helping other people, because you do it at a cost far greater than you at first realize.

    This is a "Check your premises" moment.
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