What's Next? Galt's Gulch?

Posted by $ johnrobert2 10 years, 7 months ago to Culture
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Dammit, this has got to stop someplace!!@!!


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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The progressives narrative. It doesn’t work to describe your opponent as peaceful and harmless when you are trying to fire up the base.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The Tea Party as a whole has demonstrated over and over again that they are all about peaceful demonstrations, but that narrative won’t work." What narrative won't work? And why?
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Many Tea Party members have also been guilty of violent, extremist behavior."
    I want proof of this!
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  • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 6 months ago
    Why would they not concentrate on Islamic extremists. The armed forces is not the first responder if a Christian blows up an abortion clinic. Police and the FBI deal with that. This is wrong and has to stop.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, I’m with you about the Evangelical christian groups despite the studies that say they sleep better than most people. HOWEVER, branding the Tea Party in general as a hate group because that’s where you find these fringe groups is nonsense. You wouldn’t denounce the Democratic party because of the Nation of Islam, would you? You would be specific with your condemnations. That’s why this is so outrageous. Though, nobody in politics or power ever does anything without getting something from it. Historically, these groups are most active in the South which by coincidence so are most enlisted. It would be interested to see with all the changes that have occurred under the Obama administration if the numbers aren’t flipping. Perhaps there are more northern young adults enlisting. That translates to votes. The military is a big conservative voting block, or, at least, has been. What this article tells me there will be less reasons to accidentally hold back absentee voting ballots from the military. Why would any young man or woman offer to serve their country when their country attacks their family’s beliefs.The Tea Party as a whole has demonstrated over and over again that they are all about peaceful demonstrations, but that narrative won’t work.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Right. The FBI said the same thing about MLK. They looked for any way to undermine him. We don't need the military in the business of identifying political figures and groups who are enemies of the Constitution.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Any group can become an enemy of the Constitution, even supposedly Christian groups. Remember, the KKK and the Neo-Nazis both identify themselves as Christian...
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That was interesting. I knew he was upset with the military, but I didn't know he claimed to witness atrocities.

    What does any of this have to do with a commander allegedly warning soldiers about certain US political groups?
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  • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Christian groups are enemies of the constitution? The TEA party is an enemy of the constitution? I would like to hear from the person that said these things. DOD needs to look into this.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    they should not be focused on domestic political groups that are suspected of committing crimes. that's not in their purview. that was straight up propaganda and it is against the LAW. heads should role- (johnrobert do not even-)
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I had heard that, but I never thought of it that way. I imagined it meaning they wouldn't participate in a coup or be loyal to a leader ahead of the law.

    Do you agree that even if political groups consort with extremists, we cannot have the US military taking a position on politics?
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Oath of Enlistment actually requires a soldier to swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign AND domestic:

    "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

    http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oat...
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    from what you posted, it seems to me that Mr. McVeigh sought out any affiliations opposed to groups seeking out individuals such as Mr. McVeigh
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 6 months ago
    Soldiers are often targeted by a wide range of groups for many reasons. Some seek to recruit solders into their own ranks. Others seek to infiltrate the US military.

    "In May 1988, at age 20 McVeigh graduated from U.S. Army Infantry School at Fort Benning, Georgia.[13] While in the military, McVeigh used much of his spare time to read about firearms, sniper tactics, and explosives.[14] McVeigh was reprimanded by the military for purchasing a "White Power" T-shirt at a Ku Klux Klan protest against black servicemen who wore what he viewed as "Black Power" T-shirts around the army base.[15]

    McVeigh was awarded a Bronze Star for his service in the first Gulf War. He was a top-scoring gunner with the 25mm cannon of the Bradley Fighting Vehicles used by the 1st Infantry Division to which he was assigned. He was stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas, before being deployed on Operation Desert Storm with the Division. At Fort Riley, McVeigh completed the Primary Leadership Development Course (PLDC).

    Speaking of his experience in Iraq in an interview before his execution, documented in American Terrorist, McVeigh stated he decapitated an Iraqi soldier with cannon fire on his first day in the war and celebrated. He said he later was shocked to be ordered to execute surrendering prisoners and to see carnage on the road leaving Kuwait City after U.S. troops routed the Iraqi army. In interviews following the Oklahoma City bombing, McVeigh said he began harboring anti-government feelings during the Gulf War.

    McVeigh aspired to join the United States Army Special Forces (SF). After returning from the Gulf War, he entered the selection program to become an SF soldier, but quit after his psychological profile categorized him as unsuitable for SF.[16] Shortly thereafter, McVeigh decided to leave the Army. He was discharged on December 31, 1991.[17]

    For his service in the Army, McVeigh received the following awards - Bronze Star Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Southwest Asia Service Medal, Non-Commissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbon, Army Service Ribbon, Kuwait Liberation Medal (Saudi Arabia)." (Wikipedia - "Timothy McVeigh")
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree completely. It seems odd, though, that the military would be briefing soldiers on questionable domestic groups. They should be focused on foreign groups they may have to fight. They'll never have to fight American extremists because that's a job of US law enforcement.

    I hope the anonymous soldier is embellishing. I also hope this is just the political beliefs of one commander leaking out, not a conspiracy at the highest levels of gov't.
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 10 years, 6 months ago
    This is being done to generate a list of the people who protest. At some point, they will say "my bad - you guys can support whomever you want - this is America after all - sorry for the confusion.", and then they will remove all of the people on that list from any position of power or influence.
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