How bad does it have to get for you to leave?

Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago to The Gulch: General
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Straightlinelogic recently and eloquently stated that he wants his freedom back in a couple of different posts. This is why several of us are game planning for Atlantis. Some of us want a physical Atlantis to give us hope. Some would like multiple distributed Atlantises, and I am not opposed to that.

What I am asking you to rate on a scale of 0 to 100 each of the following:

A) Your hope for your current country (Please state either US or non-US as well;

B) What your hope would be if we built Atlantis; and

C) What your hope would have to be in order for you to be so desperate that you would have to leave.

Remember Atlantis won't happen overnight. Many, including myself, are not planning on going unless things get really desperate. I have as good a shrug position as I could ever get.

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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nationalization is an issue in a lot of countries, and will be one of the biggest concerns in site selection for Atlantis.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Once we stop the handouts, they will stop coming. Up to us to fix the system first. Also the drugs need to be legalized. Then we can make a better product and the prices will fall.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Regardless of where Atlantis is, we will all have to do our part. It will be an adventure worth living.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True, but MM was the nucleation point ... and for the reason that someone has to be able to afford a chunk of property remote and big enough for all of the rest of us to buy parcels from.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Biggest problem with a retired carrier whether nuclear or conventional fuel is the manpower required.

    Not easy to automate the headcount down either.
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  • Posted by tkstone 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are correct, but I believe JG only invited MM to strike. It was MM's idea to retire to his property in the mountains. The other strikers started the tradition of getting together once a year for a month to be around others of a like mind and Atlantis formed organically. JG did not "plan" Atlantis. It happened because of a series of individual desires and decisions. I believe our process can work much the same. Whether it is in Peru, a cruise ship, or an abandoned old elevator town in northern Iowa. Each will have their market and like minds will tend to gravitate together.
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  • Posted by sharizona 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Honestly Carol, I'm not sure US is immune at the rate we are going. I would have thought the US and possibly Canada were the only stable governments in the North, South, Central Americas. It is my understanding that Chile is doing well. . .for now.
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  • Posted by m082844 10 years, 8 months ago
    It would have to be better somewhere else minus the pains of moving there.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Also, do they now have a stable government? I studied the Chilean economy in my International Finance course in 1989--Unless things there have changed, I would be careful about their "country risk".
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  • Posted by katrinam41 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry, Orc. I do know better--just a mite tired this afternoon--we're laying hardwood flooring and it's do-it-yourself. Looks good so far. Might help the re-sale value if we need to some day soon. Sooner than anyone will believe. by the way, my knickname is "Cassandra" for very good reason...
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  • Posted by H6163741 10 years, 8 months ago
    Hmmm.... My job probably won't exist in Atlantis. I handle auto insurance claims.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perry is working to take back our boarders. Also, watch the Minutemen May 2015! Already 3,500 signed up!
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I understand it, Baja Oklahoma can't secede, it can just split into 5 States...
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One of the good things about the Gulch, from my POV, is that there will not be restrictions on the medical testing that people can order on themselves, nor the medications that they can self-prescribe. We medical professionals can be advisers instead of gatekeepers. I think that your wife will revel in that as well. (Many nurses know more about patients than the doctors do.) She would be welcome to pull along side me in a medical endeavor...I suspect that we would be pulling in the same direction.

    (Your link just took me to your gulch page - was there something in particular you wanted to point out to me there?)

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We would first have to break the suction of entitlement mouth to government teat. Course, with a robust oil & gas industry, farmers not on subsidy for not producing and a work force that has no unending excuse not to work. There are possibilities. However, we would also have to bust the cartels operating out of Mexico and that would take some doing.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 8 months ago
    Being old and near the end of my life, C) is out of the question.
    Rate 90 on A) For U.S. If the November election gives a sizeable majority to conservatives and even middle-roaders taking out the Obama regime in the legislature, then there is a chance. If that doesn't happen, then forget it. The US is a snowball rolling downhill, but instead of getting bigger it will get smaller until it disappears.
    Rate 60 on B) My hope would be a real Objectivist Atlantis, but the reality is that it won't happen in an ideal manner. Even the founders of the US had had major differences and there will be no way to keep the endeavor on track.
    100 on B). My hope would be A new beginning for humanity.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please, just think about it and consider Texas. Texas. The only state that can secede on it's own legislative approval. If like minded folks start affecting the state policies, and implementing a logical systematic elimination of profuse entitlements, we can show the world what freedom is!
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