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Poll the Gulch – Who is more detrimental to our republic, the KKK or Antifa?

Posted by Mitch 6 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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Curious of what everyone thinks on this? Personally, I think the KKK and Antifa are two sides of the same coin of division. The KKK is ridiculous and only services to recruit the naive and dumb into its membership. They will never amount to a true threat, no one cares about their cause because it’s a moronic ideology to judge a whole based on skin color.

The Antifa which is short for Anti-fascist (I’m guessing here) which is anything but anti-fascist. Something about this has not made any sense to me, why here and why now? The KKK has existed for a long time and we just ignore them but now it’s a moral imperative that we fight? Are the ranks of the KKK growing at rates that I should take notice? Are they planning something else that has made this a necessity?

The Left is desperate for division so it can label people as it sees fit and to peg these idiots as “Far-Right” is idiotic. The KKK is closer to the far Left but they have been successful in labeling this group as far Right.

As for my poll question, its these Antifa because they want to oppress free-speech and change history, they seek to divide and not heal, they endeavor to sow the seeds of civil disobedience among the youth that has been brainwash in our public schools, they are the anti-capitalist and I just witnessed for the first time the thought police at Google (1984).

The Antifa is fascism…


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  • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 8 months ago
    Sure they're fascists. Not much more, it seems. The media likes to paint them as "anti-protestors", though. But, anybody with a brain can see what they're doing.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not sure as I successfully launched all three of mine by adopting Heinlein's Broken Plate method, they turn 18 and you walk them out to the doorway and break the plate, and send them on their way. It didn't quite work out, the first 2 I had t get into the Army, where they are both successful and have now seen the light of insanity ruling things, the third has gone to the Prison Guard service and will enjoy PERS, although I have no problem with Prison Guards and Police getting it, as they really earn it, unlike secretaries and bureaucrats. But I see other kids come out of the education system just functional dummies, which I blame on a school system that will love them until they fail.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "here in the great socialist state of oregon, it is different."
    What's interesting is despite how different it is, with some trends appearing opposite in my area, we see the same phenomenon of kids developing "life skills" or "grit" at a later age than a generation ago. That's why I suggest maybe there's an another cause, maybe easy availability of TV on tablets and phones.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    " ...I cannot accept that we have bred a species of trogdylytes that are so stupid as to believe in unicorns and fairy tails...". Well, nickursis, we have an electorate that voted Obama in twice. Here's some examples I haven't forgotten (I wish I had links, but I saw them on the news at the time):

    1) In Chicago.
    Reporter: Who did you vote for?
    Citizen: Obama
    Reporter: Why?
    Citizen: Because he gonna buy me a car and give me free gas
    Reporter: Really? How's he going to do that?
    Citizen: 'cause he gots a stash!
    Reporter: A stash? Where did that come from?
    Citizen: I don't know, but he gots a stash!

    2) In NYC (Harlem), trick question:
    Reporter: Do you think Sarah Palin would make a great vice president for Barack Obama?
    Citizen: Oh yes! If he like her then she must a great.

    3) In Florida at an Obama town meeting:
    A citizen was picked by the president to ask him a question:
    Citizen: Will you buy me a new kitchen? I want a new kitchen.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe that is what you have where you live, but here in the great socialist state of oregon, it is different.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a tellig site, thanks:
    "A foreign government hired Crowds on Demand to help generate a positive reception for its newly elected leader during the UN General Assembly. The concern was ensuring that the leader was well received by a US audience and confident for his work at the UN. We created demonstrations of support with diverse crowds. We also used the media primarily local and national outlets to bring more attention to these demonstrations which led to a mostly positive portrayal. The crowds that we deployed drew in more supporters creating a strong presence for this leader at the UN and an improved perception of him by the American public."

    I guess that is capitalism at it's best, provide a service like this with no concern for what you do.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "2 worker parents, no one home"
    I have seen a reverse of this in my area where it seems people who were left to play on their own as kids now insist they will hover over their kids every second, with every activity structured. I don't see kids going to the park and figuring things out for themselves.

    I am not sure why this is. Maybe there was a critical mass of parents, mostly mothers, looking out for all kids when I was kid. Or maybe more women have education an opportunities and invent this intensive hovering parenting to justify (not that anyone should have to justify her choices) not doing paid professional work.

    "A takeover of the education system by extreme liberal social philosophy"
    We have not seen this in our area, but we are a very "liberal" area, so maybe it's here and most people don't care. I absolutely see no ideological agenda in our area. The problems I see are a) the school playing the role of parent for parents who don't have their act together, b) hyper-cautiousness about kids doing anything remotely dangerous, and c) some bureaucratic rule-following.

    "they need 2 jobs to make enough to either meet their basic needs "
    In my area it seems like jobs pay more than they did, in terms of buying power of groceries, rent, vacation, etc, than when I was kid. So I see people fill the time by making life harder for themselves by hovering over their kids and doing time-consuming environmental and naturalistic practices.

    I definitely see these kids who fail to launch. Things that kids did at age 13, they're now doing at age 18. I don't know if this is what "snowflake" means. To me that's a nearly meaningless epithet that I don't want to direct at children. But the lack of grit, "failure to launch", late adoption of "life skills" is very real.

    I thought the cause was excessive parenting. (Parenting has become a verb. That's a sign of the problem.) You thought it was the opposite: insufficient parenting. This makes me think it's some other unknown cause. I see this tidal wave though, way more than your timeless "kids these days..." old man grousing, but I do not know the cause.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years, 9 months ago
    "Two sides of the same coin"? D**n right. And the
    coin is a counterfeit.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your point of parents is valid, in that for the last 20-30 years a couple factors came into play: 1. 2 worker parents, no one home, children essentially abandoned to the system, the system has free reign to indoctrinate them as they wish. 2. A takeover of the education system by extreme liberal social philosophy, with a deep malevolent level of manipulation, lies and fabrications. I present the issue of school textbooks only being available from an extremely limited source set, at huge cost, with patently made up history and language that invariably supports that philosophy. School boards more concerned with keeping their seats than teaching facts, or basic accepted social philosophy. A complicated issue brought on by a total abdication of responsibility, because they need 2 jobs to make enough to either meet their basic needs (in some cases) or get that RV, motorcycle, or boat. The kids are caught in the middle...and we get...snowflakes.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    exactly so. Which puts him in the perfect position to, if so inclined, imposed his vision of the world on everyone else. Sice he is in possession of politicians favorite foods (and maybe medis) money, he could get away with it. My main issue is I cannot accept that we have bred a species of trogdylytes that are so stupid as to believe in unicorns and fairy tails , and everything has some simple explanation, like if we only stop being racist, I will get all the free money I need, If we only stop being racist all violence would stop, and other silly, totally fabricated fantasy's. Objectively, it is hard to say where all the blame lies for the mess we have, education, lack of any strong philosophical/moral teachings, feel good politics, unimaginable evil intents by greedy politicians from both parties? You can assemble a hundred facts that all point to mass insanity? Delusion?
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  • Posted by Lucky 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    George Soros has been described as evil, and as a ' withered old creep' may be right.
    The facts are:
    some of his green/left views are public,
    he is one of the globe's richest men, he is smart.
    He would know how to prevent money flows being traced.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would love to find an irrefutable fact that supports that. No one has ever traced any money attached to the withered old creep.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That whole thing stinks, that dude did NOT change his whole philosophy from 180 degrees. I am betting he is a shill who is infiltrated far right because they can be easily manipulated and goaded, just as the far left can, and we get Charlottsville. I am betting the string of such events over the past 10 years are all similar and have similar people behind it. Look at what went on during the Obamanation time: gun issues, race issues and riots, riots, riots. All to get people to want to take away guns, and know that everyone not an avowed Dumbocrap is a racist homophobe. All this and more is constantly played in lamestream media against Trump.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 9 months ago
    The KKK seeks to gain consensus to their silliness. The AntiFA seeks limit a constitutional right. Both are stupid, but AntiFA is more dangerous, by far.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is a very good question, which I have yet to find data on...when these things happens it is amazing how much you can find, if it is in favor of the ones the media wants to win, and how little on any other angle, and what there is is not facts but twisted negative statements by said media.
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 6 years, 9 months ago
    Having studied the rise of Fascism in Italy, I'd have to say the Anti-First-Amendment group is the larger threat.
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I kinda wish some Anonymous member would write a net virus that would go out and rewrite every "black lives matter" it found (with or w/o spaces) to "Blackshirts matter". Because there is becoming less and less of a difference between the two.
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  • Posted by Joseph23006 6 years, 9 months ago
    As pointed out, both are just mirror images of each other! Neither stands for what is good for or about America. The KKK wrapped itself in the flag as a sign of patriotism but there actions were anything but. Antifa is new on the scene but its tactics are right out of the fascist-socialist handbook, they have distain for anyone who does not agree with them. Both groups are not good for the country because each wants to impose its decidedly hurtful values on our nation.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 9 months ago
    I thought that the Antifa and KKK were not worth consideration. In both cases , their ideology is simply stupid and not worth spending any time or effort on. Obviously, I was wrong, since it appears as if it promoted a rather lively discussion here. Both are at most marginal, having so few followers they are hardly a blip in terms of votes. Giving any attention to them is merely giving lefties more ways to associate Trump with them, which is untrue and scurrilous.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree totally. They do have a unique mastery of smear. They would make Goebbels proud.
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