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Poll the Gulch – Who is more detrimental to our republic, the KKK or Antifa?

Posted by Mitch 7 years, 11 months ago to Politics
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Curious of what everyone thinks on this? Personally, I think the KKK and Antifa are two sides of the same coin of division. The KKK is ridiculous and only services to recruit the naive and dumb into its membership. They will never amount to a true threat, no one cares about their cause because it’s a moronic ideology to judge a whole based on skin color.

The Antifa which is short for Anti-fascist (I’m guessing here) which is anything but anti-fascist. Something about this has not made any sense to me, why here and why now? The KKK has existed for a long time and we just ignore them but now it’s a moral imperative that we fight? Are the ranks of the KKK growing at rates that I should take notice? Are they planning something else that has made this a necessity?

The Left is desperate for division so it can label people as it sees fit and to peg these idiots as “Far-Right” is idiotic. The KKK is closer to the far Left but they have been successful in labeling this group as far Right.

As for my poll question, its these Antifa because they want to oppress free-speech and change history, they seek to divide and not heal, they endeavor to sow the seeds of civil disobedience among the youth that has been brainwash in our public schools, they are the anti-capitalist and I just witnessed for the first time the thought police at Google (1984).

The Antifa is fascism…


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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 7 years, 11 months ago
    I have a suspicion that both "Antifa" and the "Atl-Right" are funded by globalist money. Soros comes to mind. It is part of an effort to cripple and wipe out Trump's all-too-popular presidency. The KKK just happens to fit into the plans. "Let's you and he fight."

    Look at the number of people stepping up to criticize Trump for one thing or another. The Lame-Stream Media ignored criticism of 0bama, but they gleefully dig right into any bad words about Trump.

    This stuff is not new. When I was a young lad, it was a sin to suggest that someone might be Communist. The Russians were paragons of virtue, not only because of their commitment to socialism, but because they starved themselves to gain it. The US, on the other hand, was evil because we could have fed the whole world for free, but didn't. Wait, we came close to doing that, but failed to collapse into socialism like we should have.

    Now I've done it! I've gone off on a rant, preaching to the choir. How can I convince some of the "useful idiots" instead? Get them to connect the dots, to follow the money, to see why "tearing down America" is their actual goal even if they think it isn't?
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  • Posted by GaryL 7 years, 11 months ago
    All of this is fully outlined in "Rules for Radicals".
    None of these groups including BLM are at all associated on the right but this label must be tagged to them in order to have the division they need. I instead label all of them under just one title, Anti American!
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 11 months ago
    The KKK consists of fools and small minded bigots but they don't pose a serious threat. But when someone brings a flamethrower to a political demonstration they need to be taken seriously.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 11 months ago
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that civil unrest is going to become a common occurrence in big cities and eventually its going to erupt into something far more serious than these brawls. The culture of cliques is coming into its own in the United States. The KKK is one of the oldest, but most people already know what it is and rightly despise it. Black Lives Matter (I first typed in Black Lice - Freudian slip?), Antifa, Occupy Wall Street are now being funded to encourage violence and hate. Add to that religious emnity and a violent religious ideology (Islam) and add in the divisive rhetoric of the politicians - especially on the Left. The melting pot is being stirred and the heat is being turned up, but instead of things melting and flowing together coagulents are being added to clump everything up. Pretty soon things are going to boil over.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 7 years, 11 months ago
    From The True Believer, Eric Hoffer:

    A mass movement attracts and holds a following not because it can satisfy the desire for self-advancement, but because it can satisfy the passion for self-renunciation.

    Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for the lost faith in ourselves.

    The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for ....... his holy cause.

    A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people's business.

    When our individual interests and prospects do not seem worth living for, we are in desperate need for something apart from us to live for. All forms of dedication, devotion, loyalty and self-surrender are in essence a desperate clinging to something which might give worth and meaning to our futile, spoiled lives.

    OF COURSE IT HELPS IF YOU ARE GETTING $25/HR FROM SOROS, ET AL.
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 11 months ago
    Anti-fa by far are the most detrimental to our country. Most everyone accepts that the KKK is a disgusting, horrible bunch of idiots. But the Antfa group who yells moral outrage and says that it wants a peaceful and fair country is anything but. Antfa is bought and paid for by the Socialist and the Communists. It thrives on civil unrest, oppression, and thought control.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 11 months ago
    Antifa is the greater threat. The KKK is nothing more than a dog-and-pony show, mighty convenient for George Soros. Who, by the way, is the real-world answer to Ellsworth M. Toohey. The one thing Atlas Shrugged lacked was a genuine Toohey-like arch-villain. George Soros fits that bill.

    Charlottesville was a set-up. That I will swear on a stack of first editions of Atlas Shrugged as high as the building in which I live.
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    Posted by Esceptico 7 years, 11 months ago
    My vote goes to Antifa as the most dangerous. One reason is it is "catching on" and the KKK is of no significant importance.
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  • Posted by KRUEG 7 years, 11 months ago
    The Radical, Weaponized side of either. Call it what you will. When civil discourse is ignored, we all lose.
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  • Posted by tohar1 7 years, 11 months ago
    I'd say if for no other reason than sheer numbers which they seem to be able to turn out, the Antifa are the most detrimental to our society. The ideology of the idiots of the KKK have the potential to be harmful, but again sheer numbers dictate that they'll never really have a platform from which to speak. (The whole "tree falls in a forest...does it make a sound" comes to mind.)
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 7 years, 11 months ago
    Antifa is far more detrimental. The purposes of the KKK are easily understood, but Antifa doesn't have a specific purpose or goal...it changes with the whims of its supporters.

    Ayn Rand references such things in Atlas Shrugged. Antifa is like the fluffy, cotton-like, "cloud" that can't be fought, because there's nothing solid to it that can be grasped.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 7 years, 11 months ago
    What republic? We haven't had a republic in > 100 years. :(
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  • Posted by tohar1 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not just "someone"...it was George Soros who paid to bus in hundreds/thousands of counter loons.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. The KKK always marches and does stupid crap. Usually we don't send "fight starters" and lots and lots of cameras.

    Also, one would imagine the KKK burning things, and tearing things down. But WAIT, that was the BLM people... AGAIN... In deafening SILENCE...
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 7 years, 11 months ago
    First, the "problem" is the media who has taken clear sides in this argument. BLM was BARELY mentioned during the live coverage. Called Counter Protestors (LOL).

    So, the MSM is a huge part of the problem.

    Next, we have no way of calling this stuff out. Because the media is so controlled.

    Then, we have basically emotionally driven automatons who EITHER villify the other side, or make the people on the right afraid to speak out.

    Creating the feeling for Conservatives that I am sure 1938 Jews understood. You cannot even come to the protection of an innocent person for fear of the retaliation that will become your fate!
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  • Posted by coaldigger 7 years, 11 months ago
    Assimilation is the secret to peace in America. Any group that focuses on differences, of any kind, is a problem and will lead to a breakdown in our society. People of color have the most difficult time being successful in assimilation but many are able to do it and given time through intermarriage and community integration, division will no longer be a threat. Unfortunately there is a class that has a lot to gain by perpetrating conflicts and under the guise of "fixing" the problems make them much worse. Some of these evil characters do this on purpose, some by imitation of their peers and some out of a misguided desire to rectify wrongs, past and present. As long as we allow a class of Professional Politicians to control our affairs we will trend toward wars between factions.
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    Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CG, please take note: The KKK dudes had a permit, and mysteriously, someone paid to bus in hundreds, or thousands of counter loons, and then someone saw fit to put them in the same area, and then push them together. It wasn't innocent, accidental, or just some kids. It was staged.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    freedom, you are right on target. One has to wonder tat the sudden rise of "racisim" and unrest, after a few years of "homophobia". Has anyone noticed that there has been in the last 10-15 years, nothing but a series of "incidents" where it turns into a years long rally cry for some group or another? As far as either political group, being that they are the same root stock, and just present 2 different faces, and apparently owe allegiance to different patrons, they are irrelevant to our society, in that either one can be in control and the results are the same.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree that the problem is that there is no conservative/pro free market/pro individual liberty to choose.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed... The school system in California has a whole host of issues. The major issue is that parents no long can opt their children out of specific activities. I'm referring to the GSA... This is the Gay Straight Alliance; these people are in over 400 high schools in California and something like 40 grade schools. I, as the parent of my child, have no power to say that my child is not ready to make this decision nor am I allowed to question this decision. (I tried, no I throw a f*&king fit and lost. They did it anyways.)

    These people should not be questioning your children on which of the 16 sexes available do you think you are? My daughter hadn’t even competed development before these people abused her innocence. She chose something called Pan Sexual. Pan Sexual is best described as bi-sexual but when I ask my daughter how this could be when you want to have children and that your settle down with one or the other, her response was --== NO ==--. Which I gave up and moved on…

    My point is that this is allowed under the first amendment (this is how they won in court) per the left but the KKK is being shut down. Sounds like kids making up the rules as they go…
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed...

    Have you noticed the fact that they paint these KKK members as the "far-right". I'm assuming that over 50% of the population can discern the lie within that statement but I wonder? These idiots deserve to speak their minds just like other idiots...

    I truly feel this is a test if America is ready to give up on the first amendment? This is a test, only a test for socialism. If this had been an actual suspension of your constitutional rights, your local Gestapo would have informed you of your new duties for your government. Please stay tuned...

    Mitch
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but tools of the far left... I agree 100% with your statement but I have to choose the lesser of the two evals, I'll choose conservative over liberal every day. We need a third party but that is another issue, too much risk of letting the left win. See Ross Perot... I'm optimistic Trump will clean house to some degree, just that it will return as soon as he leaves.
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    Posted by RobertFl 7 years, 11 months ago
    Universities are preventing controversial speakers from speaking in fear of counter-protesters. They have effectively killed the first amendment using fear. That's more dangerous. We've ignored the kkk for decades and they haven't grown. .03% of the population is nothing to fear.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "No one at this “rally” wanted to leave you alone, both sides wanted something from you."
    I said they might even be on the same side of the coin, and it's not the side that wants to leave you along, so I agree with that.

    "do you have children in the California school system? "
    Our kids are public school in WI. We had them in private school, and we had problems there. Public school is working, but we think it's mainly the teacher. We have no confidence in turning anything over to the gov't. We have learned over the past few years there's no substitute for having a good teacher and lots of supplementing from parents. We have them in a Baptist Camp (even though we're atheist UUs), and they learn stuff there we don't agree with, but we expect that. We now expect the same thing when they go to public school because we saw it in private school. I really think their public school, since they've had the right teachers, is good. The amount of wrongheaded stuff they encounter there is no more than when they go out into the world anywhere.
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    Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
    Democrat and Republican politicians and the lobbyists that encourage them are the greatest threat.
    KKK and antifa are just tools they use to manipulate the public.
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