Poll the Gulch – Who is more detrimental to our republic, the KKK or Antifa?
Curious of what everyone thinks on this? Personally, I think the KKK and Antifa are two sides of the same coin of division. The KKK is ridiculous and only services to recruit the naive and dumb into its membership. They will never amount to a true threat, no one cares about their cause because it’s a moronic ideology to judge a whole based on skin color.
The Antifa which is short for Anti-fascist (I’m guessing here) which is anything but anti-fascist. Something about this has not made any sense to me, why here and why now? The KKK has existed for a long time and we just ignore them but now it’s a moral imperative that we fight? Are the ranks of the KKK growing at rates that I should take notice? Are they planning something else that has made this a necessity?
The Left is desperate for division so it can label people as it sees fit and to peg these idiots as “Far-Right” is idiotic. The KKK is closer to the far Left but they have been successful in labeling this group as far Right.
As for my poll question, its these Antifa because they want to oppress free-speech and change history, they seek to divide and not heal, they endeavor to sow the seeds of civil disobedience among the youth that has been brainwash in our public schools, they are the anti-capitalist and I just witnessed for the first time the thought police at Google (1984).
The Antifa is fascism…
The Antifa which is short for Anti-fascist (I’m guessing here) which is anything but anti-fascist. Something about this has not made any sense to me, why here and why now? The KKK has existed for a long time and we just ignore them but now it’s a moral imperative that we fight? Are the ranks of the KKK growing at rates that I should take notice? Are they planning something else that has made this a necessity?
The Left is desperate for division so it can label people as it sees fit and to peg these idiots as “Far-Right” is idiotic. The KKK is closer to the far Left but they have been successful in labeling this group as far Right.
As for my poll question, its these Antifa because they want to oppress free-speech and change history, they seek to divide and not heal, they endeavor to sow the seeds of civil disobedience among the youth that has been brainwash in our public schools, they are the anti-capitalist and I just witnessed for the first time the thought police at Google (1984).
The Antifa is fascism…
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So, the MSM is a huge part of the problem.
Next, we have no way of calling this stuff out. Because the media is so controlled.
Then, we have basically emotionally driven automatons who EITHER villify the other side, or make the people on the right afraid to speak out.
Creating the feeling for Conservatives that I am sure 1938 Jews understood. You cannot even come to the protection of an innocent person for fear of the retaliation that will become your fate!
Can't remember which kind of racist was being targeted for being surprised at the sight of fire being used as a counter-protest weapon.
coin is a counterfeit.
I'm going to go with neither.
I hope that these are all just kids itching for a fight. Historically, there are always kids fighting, and they either die or get married and then stop the fighting. But I am not sure of that hope. Maybe we should be concerned.
I think sowing the seeds of civil disobedience among the youth is a good thing, but I don't think either of them are doing that. I also don't think people are brainwashed at the schools, although I think the quality of public schools is hit and miss, par for the course or better as gov't-run services go. I don't think Antifa have any interest/plans/ability to revise history. To associate these things with KKK or Antifa is to aggrandize them.
Despite my hope that it's just kids fighting, I could see it being the first signs of real trouble. They could realize they're for the same things and do real harm.
Not kids itching for a fight… Quite possibly well-funded demonstrators promoting civil disobedience, i.e. useful idiots.
The disobedience needs to follow wisdom and none of the people are wise. CG, do you have children in the California school system? It’s filled with liberal, hateful teachers… They teach a revisionist history.
How can you say that they don’t want to rewrite history, they destroyed a monument to General Lee?
This conflict was intentional and not for the surface reasons…
Mitch
I said they might even be on the same side of the coin, and it's not the side that wants to leave you along, so I agree with that.
"do you have children in the California school system? "
Our kids are public school in WI. We had them in private school, and we had problems there. Public school is working, but we think it's mainly the teacher. We have no confidence in turning anything over to the gov't. We have learned over the past few years there's no substitute for having a good teacher and lots of supplementing from parents. We have them in a Baptist Camp (even though we're atheist UUs), and they learn stuff there we don't agree with, but we expect that. We now expect the same thing when they go to public school because we saw it in private school. I really think their public school, since they've had the right teachers, is good. The amount of wrongheaded stuff they encounter there is no more than when they go out into the world anywhere.
These people should not be questioning your children on which of the 16 sexes available do you think you are? My daughter hadn’t even competed development before these people abused her innocence. She chose something called Pan Sexual. Pan Sexual is best described as bi-sexual but when I ask my daughter how this could be when you want to have children and that your settle down with one or the other, her response was --== NO ==--. Which I gave up and moved on…
My point is that this is allowed under the first amendment (this is how they won in court) per the left but the KKK is being shut down. Sounds like kids making up the rules as they go…
That sounds weird. We haven't seen anything like that in our area. What we see is a lot of the school teaching things parents should teach. I think the school is responding to the fact that some parents don't have their act together, and the school is trying for better or worse to pick up the slack.
Sending our kids to Baptist Camp has been very helpful. The kids know we're not religious. My 8 y/o challenged us if science and reason aren't actually another form of religion, the religion he's heard all his life before hearing the Baptists view. We explained why reason is not a religion. It's caused us to have discussions we never would have had otherwise. Sometimes their questions are beyond my knowledge, like how exactly some stories get tied to politics and then turn into mainstream religions but others turn into fairy tales.
It's causing us to get less upset when their school teaches something we don't agree with. The biggest thing I don't agree with is the public school's obsession with safety. The Baptists, OTOH, have my view of safety, that kids should get out and take some reasonable risks. So their learning different people have different conclusions, and it's okay to work with them even if some of their conclusions are just out-and-out wrong.
This has disenfranchised me from my parental rights to rise my children in the fashion I see fit. The government has no right to teach my child to be sexually promiscuous with others. Who do these idiots think they are?
I told you my guess, and you began with the word "wrong". I think they mean to pick up the slack for parents who don't have their act together, and the results is level of quality that's about what you'd expect from a gov't-provided service.
I have seen a reverse of this in my area where it seems people who were left to play on their own as kids now insist they will hover over their kids every second, with every activity structured. I don't see kids going to the park and figuring things out for themselves.
I am not sure why this is. Maybe there was a critical mass of parents, mostly mothers, looking out for all kids when I was kid. Or maybe more women have education an opportunities and invent this intensive hovering parenting to justify (not that anyone should have to justify her choices) not doing paid professional work.
"A takeover of the education system by extreme liberal social philosophy"
We have not seen this in our area, but we are a very "liberal" area, so maybe it's here and most people don't care. I absolutely see no ideological agenda in our area. The problems I see are a) the school playing the role of parent for parents who don't have their act together, b) hyper-cautiousness about kids doing anything remotely dangerous, and c) some bureaucratic rule-following.
"they need 2 jobs to make enough to either meet their basic needs "
In my area it seems like jobs pay more than they did, in terms of buying power of groceries, rent, vacation, etc, than when I was kid. So I see people fill the time by making life harder for themselves by hovering over their kids and doing time-consuming environmental and naturalistic practices.
I definitely see these kids who fail to launch. Things that kids did at age 13, they're now doing at age 18. I don't know if this is what "snowflake" means. To me that's a nearly meaningless epithet that I don't want to direct at children. But the lack of grit, "failure to launch", late adoption of "life skills" is very real.
I thought the cause was excessive parenting. (Parenting has become a verb. That's a sign of the problem.) You thought it was the opposite: insufficient parenting. This makes me think it's some other unknown cause. I see this tidal wave though, way more than your timeless "kids these days..." old man grousing, but I do not know the cause.
What's interesting is despite how different it is, with some trends appearing opposite in my area, we see the same phenomenon of kids developing "life skills" or "grit" at a later age than a generation ago. That's why I suggest maybe there's an another cause, maybe easy availability of TV on tablets and phones.
"A foreign government hired Crowds on Demand to help generate a positive reception for its newly elected leader during the UN General Assembly. The concern was ensuring that the leader was well received by a US audience and confident for his work at the UN. We created demonstrations of support with diverse crowds. We also used the media primarily local and national outlets to bring more attention to these demonstrations which led to a mostly positive portrayal. The crowds that we deployed drew in more supporters creating a strong presence for this leader at the UN and an improved perception of him by the American public."
I guess that is capitalism at it's best, provide a service like this with no concern for what you do.
The facts are:
some of his green/left views are public,
he is one of the globe's richest men, he is smart.
He would know how to prevent money flows being traced.
1) In Chicago.
Reporter: Who did you vote for?
Citizen: Obama
Reporter: Why?
Citizen: Because he gonna buy me a car and give me free gas
Reporter: Really? How's he going to do that?
Citizen: 'cause he gots a stash!
Reporter: A stash? Where did that come from?
Citizen: I don't know, but he gots a stash!
2) In NYC (Harlem), trick question:
Reporter: Do you think Sarah Palin would make a great vice president for Barack Obama?
Citizen: Oh yes! If he like her then she must a great.
3) In Florida at an Obama town meeting:
A citizen was picked by the president to ask him a question:
Citizen: Will you buy me a new kitchen? I want a new kitchen.
Also, one would imagine the KKK burning things, and tearing things down. But WAIT, that was the BLM people... AGAIN... In deafening SILENCE...
I'll add the KKK idiots had a permit pulled by an Obama guy an agitator who has organized BLM rallies. See this post from Khalling titled Pay Attention. http://www.dailywire.com/news/19747/r...
I thought most of the primary loons came in from all over, albeit with a permit. What percentage of the counter-loons came from out of state?