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Poll the Gulch – Who is more detrimental to our republic, the KKK or Antifa?

Posted by Mitch 6 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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Curious of what everyone thinks on this? Personally, I think the KKK and Antifa are two sides of the same coin of division. The KKK is ridiculous and only services to recruit the naive and dumb into its membership. They will never amount to a true threat, no one cares about their cause because it’s a moronic ideology to judge a whole based on skin color.

The Antifa which is short for Anti-fascist (I’m guessing here) which is anything but anti-fascist. Something about this has not made any sense to me, why here and why now? The KKK has existed for a long time and we just ignore them but now it’s a moral imperative that we fight? Are the ranks of the KKK growing at rates that I should take notice? Are they planning something else that has made this a necessity?

The Left is desperate for division so it can label people as it sees fit and to peg these idiots as “Far-Right” is idiotic. The KKK is closer to the far Left but they have been successful in labeling this group as far Right.

As for my poll question, its these Antifa because they want to oppress free-speech and change history, they seek to divide and not heal, they endeavor to sow the seeds of civil disobedience among the youth that has been brainwash in our public schools, they are the anti-capitalist and I just witnessed for the first time the thought police at Google (1984).

The Antifa is fascism…


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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 6 years, 8 months ago
    First, the "problem" is the media who has taken clear sides in this argument. BLM was BARELY mentioned during the live coverage. Called Counter Protestors (LOL).

    So, the MSM is a huge part of the problem.

    Next, we have no way of calling this stuff out. Because the media is so controlled.

    Then, we have basically emotionally driven automatons who EITHER villify the other side, or make the people on the right afraid to speak out.

    Creating the feeling for Conservatives that I am sure 1938 Jews understood. You cannot even come to the protection of an innocent person for fear of the retaliation that will become your fate!
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 8 months ago
    I think the KKK people are entitled to their opinions, as are the antifascists. HOWEVER, neither group should violate the rights of anyone in pursuit of their ideology. Neither should the leftists or conservatives for that matter.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 6 years, 8 months ago
    The KKK consists of fools and small minded bigots but they don't pose a serious threat. But when someone brings a flamethrower to a political demonstration they need to be taken seriously.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 8 months ago
      Me dino recalls briefly viewing a photo of Antifa antifascist fascist fruitcake using some device to shoot a stream of fire at either a KKK klown or a Nazi nutcase.
      Can't remember which kind of racist was being targeted for being surprised at the sight of fire being used as a counter-protest weapon.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 6 years, 8 months ago
    Assimilation is the secret to peace in America. Any group that focuses on differences, of any kind, is a problem and will lead to a breakdown in our society. People of color have the most difficult time being successful in assimilation but many are able to do it and given time through intermarriage and community integration, division will no longer be a threat. Unfortunately there is a class that has a lot to gain by perpetrating conflicts and under the guise of "fixing" the problems make them much worse. Some of these evil characters do this on purpose, some by imitation of their peers and some out of a misguided desire to rectify wrongs, past and present. As long as we allow a class of Professional Politicians to control our affairs we will trend toward wars between factions.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 8 months ago
    I thought that the Antifa and KKK were not worth consideration. In both cases , their ideology is simply stupid and not worth spending any time or effort on. Obviously, I was wrong, since it appears as if it promoted a rather lively discussion here. Both are at most marginal, having so few followers they are hardly a blip in terms of votes. Giving any attention to them is merely giving lefties more ways to associate Trump with them, which is untrue and scurrilous.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 8 months ago
    Not much to pick between, racist bigoted skinheads (with ignorance as the common denominator in all of them) or thugs that burn cars, smash windows, loot private businesses, etc. Their common denominator is laziness and wishing the US economy was more like Central America or Europe where it's possible to just sit on the porch all day and subsist.

    I'm going to go with neither.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 6 years, 8 months ago
    The DNC/MSM and their communist splinters are Americas true enemy. They are all OWS, under several different names, who have been and still are bankrolled by Soros & company and given political/legal cover by the American communist charters known as MSM & DNC. I covered the RNC convention in 2012 and spent some time in "Romneyville" the occupy camp in Tampa, the gatekeeper was an old leftist that had no problem telling me that the next few events out of state were pre-planned and staffed with bodies ready to go, public areas they could "occupy" were arranged and provisioned. This has always been an orchestrated, well funded tactic to oppose and destroy any candidate that was not prog/commie baptized. Sandbagging Bernie probably isn` t the only reason the DNC kept their servers from the FBI forensics. The RNC are mostly liars and power whores, the DNC has no problem creating chalk outlines on the pavement.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 7 months ago
    Sure they're fascists. Not much more, it seems. The media likes to paint them as "anti-protestors", though. But, anybody with a brain can see what they're doing.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 8 months ago
    If they're two sides of the same coin, one is no more dangerous than the other. I think they're very similar, maybe even better modeled as the same side of a coin of which one side intervening in others' lives and other side is leaving people alone.

    I hope that these are all just kids itching for a fight. Historically, there are always kids fighting, and they either die or get married and then stop the fighting. But I am not sure of that hope. Maybe we should be concerned.

    I think sowing the seeds of civil disobedience among the youth is a good thing, but I don't think either of them are doing that. I also don't think people are brainwashed at the schools, although I think the quality of public schools is hit and miss, par for the course or better as gov't-run services go. I don't think Antifa have any interest/plans/ability to revise history. To associate these things with KKK or Antifa is to aggrandize them.

    Despite my hope that it's just kids fighting, I could see it being the first signs of real trouble. They could realize they're for the same things and do real harm.
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      Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago
      How some reason you and me never see eye to eye. No one at this “rally” wanted to leave you alone, both sides wanted something from you.

      Not kids itching for a fight… Quite possibly well-funded demonstrators promoting civil disobedience, i.e. useful idiots.

      The disobedience needs to follow wisdom and none of the people are wise. CG, do you have children in the California school system? It’s filled with liberal, hateful teachers… They teach a revisionist history.

      How can you say that they don’t want to rewrite history, they destroyed a monument to General Lee?

      This conflict was intentional and not for the surface reasons…

      Mitch
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 8 months ago
        "No one at this “rally” wanted to leave you alone, both sides wanted something from you."
        I said they might even be on the same side of the coin, and it's not the side that wants to leave you along, so I agree with that.

        "do you have children in the California school system? "
        Our kids are public school in WI. We had them in private school, and we had problems there. Public school is working, but we think it's mainly the teacher. We have no confidence in turning anything over to the gov't. We have learned over the past few years there's no substitute for having a good teacher and lots of supplementing from parents. We have them in a Baptist Camp (even though we're atheist UUs), and they learn stuff there we don't agree with, but we expect that. We now expect the same thing when they go to public school because we saw it in private school. I really think their public school, since they've had the right teachers, is good. The amount of wrongheaded stuff they encounter there is no more than when they go out into the world anywhere.
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        • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago
          Agreed... The school system in California has a whole host of issues. The major issue is that parents no long can opt their children out of specific activities. I'm referring to the GSA... This is the Gay Straight Alliance; these people are in over 400 high schools in California and something like 40 grade schools. I, as the parent of my child, have no power to say that my child is not ready to make this decision nor am I allowed to question this decision. (I tried, no I throw a f*&king fit and lost. They did it anyways.)

          These people should not be questioning your children on which of the 16 sexes available do you think you are? My daughter hadn’t even competed development before these people abused her innocence. She chose something called Pan Sexual. Pan Sexual is best described as bi-sexual but when I ask my daughter how this could be when you want to have children and that your settle down with one or the other, her response was --== NO ==--. Which I gave up and moved on…

          My point is that this is allowed under the first amendment (this is how they won in court) per the left but the KKK is being shut down. Sounds like kids making up the rules as they go…
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 8 months ago
            "These people should not be questioning your children on which of the 16 sexes available do you think you are?"
            That sounds weird. We haven't seen anything like that in our area. What we see is a lot of the school teaching things parents should teach. I think the school is responding to the fact that some parents don't have their act together, and the school is trying for better or worse to pick up the slack.

            Sending our kids to Baptist Camp has been very helpful. The kids know we're not religious. My 8 y/o challenged us if science and reason aren't actually another form of religion, the religion he's heard all his life before hearing the Baptists view. We explained why reason is not a religion. It's caused us to have discussions we never would have had otherwise. Sometimes their questions are beyond my knowledge, like how exactly some stories get tied to politics and then turn into mainstream religions but others turn into fairy tales.

            It's causing us to get less upset when their school teaches something we don't agree with. The biggest thing I don't agree with is the public school's obsession with safety. The Baptists, OTOH, have my view of safety, that kids should get out and take some reasonable risks. So their learning different people have different conclusions, and it's okay to work with them even if some of their conclusions are just out-and-out wrong.
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            • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago
              Wrong -> “ I think the school is responding to the fact that some parents don't have their act together, and the school is trying for better or worse to pick up the slack. ”
              This has disenfranchised me from my parental rights to rise my children in the fashion I see fit. The government has no right to teach my child to be sexually promiscuous with others. Who do these idiots think they are?
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 8 months ago
                "Who do these idiots think they are?"
                I told you my guess, and you began with the word "wrong". I think they mean to pick up the slack for parents who don't have their act together, and the results is level of quality that's about what you'd expect from a gov't-provided service.
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 8 months ago
              Your point of parents is valid, in that for the last 20-30 years a couple factors came into play: 1. 2 worker parents, no one home, children essentially abandoned to the system, the system has free reign to indoctrinate them as they wish. 2. A takeover of the education system by extreme liberal social philosophy, with a deep malevolent level of manipulation, lies and fabrications. I present the issue of school textbooks only being available from an extremely limited source set, at huge cost, with patently made up history and language that invariably supports that philosophy. School boards more concerned with keeping their seats than teaching facts, or basic accepted social philosophy. A complicated issue brought on by a total abdication of responsibility, because they need 2 jobs to make enough to either meet their basic needs (in some cases) or get that RV, motorcycle, or boat. The kids are caught in the middle...and we get...snowflakes.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 8 months ago
                "2 worker parents, no one home"
                I have seen a reverse of this in my area where it seems people who were left to play on their own as kids now insist they will hover over their kids every second, with every activity structured. I don't see kids going to the park and figuring things out for themselves.

                I am not sure why this is. Maybe there was a critical mass of parents, mostly mothers, looking out for all kids when I was kid. Or maybe more women have education an opportunities and invent this intensive hovering parenting to justify (not that anyone should have to justify her choices) not doing paid professional work.

                "A takeover of the education system by extreme liberal social philosophy"
                We have not seen this in our area, but we are a very "liberal" area, so maybe it's here and most people don't care. I absolutely see no ideological agenda in our area. The problems I see are a) the school playing the role of parent for parents who don't have their act together, b) hyper-cautiousness about kids doing anything remotely dangerous, and c) some bureaucratic rule-following.

                "they need 2 jobs to make enough to either meet their basic needs "
                In my area it seems like jobs pay more than they did, in terms of buying power of groceries, rent, vacation, etc, than when I was kid. So I see people fill the time by making life harder for themselves by hovering over their kids and doing time-consuming environmental and naturalistic practices.

                I definitely see these kids who fail to launch. Things that kids did at age 13, they're now doing at age 18. I don't know if this is what "snowflake" means. To me that's a nearly meaningless epithet that I don't want to direct at children. But the lack of grit, "failure to launch", late adoption of "life skills" is very real.

                I thought the cause was excessive parenting. (Parenting has become a verb. That's a sign of the problem.) You thought it was the opposite: insufficient parenting. This makes me think it's some other unknown cause. I see this tidal wave though, way more than your timeless "kids these days..." old man grousing, but I do not know the cause.
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                • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 8 months ago
                  Maybe that is what you have where you live, but here in the great socialist state of oregon, it is different.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 8 months ago
                    "here in the great socialist state of oregon, it is different."
                    What's interesting is despite how different it is, with some trends appearing opposite in my area, we see the same phenomenon of kids developing "life skills" or "grit" at a later age than a generation ago. That's why I suggest maybe there's an another cause, maybe easy availability of TV on tablets and phones.
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                    • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 8 months ago
                      I am not sure as I successfully launched all three of mine by adopting Heinlein's Broken Plate method, they turn 18 and you walk them out to the doorway and break the plate, and send them on their way. It didn't quite work out, the first 2 I had t get into the Army, where they are both successful and have now seen the light of insanity ruling things, the third has gone to the Prison Guard service and will enjoy PERS, although I have no problem with Prison Guards and Police getting it, as they really earn it, unlike secretaries and bureaucrats. But I see other kids come out of the education system just functional dummies, which I blame on a school system that will love them until they fail.
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      Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 8 months ago
      CG, please take note: The KKK dudes had a permit, and mysteriously, someone paid to bus in hundreds, or thousands of counter loons, and then someone saw fit to put them in the same area, and then push them together. It wasn't innocent, accidental, or just some kids. It was staged.
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      • Posted by tohar1 6 years, 8 months ago
        Not just "someone"...it was George Soros who paid to bus in hundreds/thousands of counter loons.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 8 months ago
          I would love to find an irrefutable fact that supports that. No one has ever traced any money attached to the withered old creep.
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          • Posted by Shrugging1947 6 years, 8 months ago
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 8 months ago
              This is a tellig site, thanks:
              "A foreign government hired Crowds on Demand to help generate a positive reception for its newly elected leader during the UN General Assembly. The concern was ensuring that the leader was well received by a US audience and confident for his work at the UN. We created demonstrations of support with diverse crowds. We also used the media primarily local and national outlets to bring more attention to these demonstrations which led to a mostly positive portrayal. The crowds that we deployed drew in more supporters creating a strong presence for this leader at the UN and an improved perception of him by the American public."

              I guess that is capitalism at it's best, provide a service like this with no concern for what you do.
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          • Posted by Lucky 6 years, 8 months ago
            George Soros has been described as evil, and as a ' withered old creep' may be right.
            The facts are:
            some of his green/left views are public,
            he is one of the globe's richest men, he is smart.
            He would know how to prevent money flows being traced.
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 8 months ago
              exactly so. Which puts him in the perfect position to, if so inclined, imposed his vision of the world on everyone else. Sice he is in possession of politicians favorite foods (and maybe medis) money, he could get away with it. My main issue is I cannot accept that we have bred a species of trogdylytes that are so stupid as to believe in unicorns and fairy tails , and everything has some simple explanation, like if we only stop being racist, I will get all the free money I need, If we only stop being racist all violence would stop, and other silly, totally fabricated fantasy's. Objectively, it is hard to say where all the blame lies for the mess we have, education, lack of any strong philosophical/moral teachings, feel good politics, unimaginable evil intents by greedy politicians from both parties? You can assemble a hundred facts that all point to mass insanity? Delusion?
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              • Posted by mccannon01 6 years, 8 months ago
                " ...I cannot accept that we have bred a species of trogdylytes that are so stupid as to believe in unicorns and fairy tails...". Well, nickursis, we have an electorate that voted Obama in twice. Here's some examples I haven't forgotten (I wish I had links, but I saw them on the news at the time):

                1) In Chicago.
                Reporter: Who did you vote for?
                Citizen: Obama
                Reporter: Why?
                Citizen: Because he gonna buy me a car and give me free gas
                Reporter: Really? How's he going to do that?
                Citizen: 'cause he gots a stash!
                Reporter: A stash? Where did that come from?
                Citizen: I don't know, but he gots a stash!

                2) In NYC (Harlem), trick question:
                Reporter: Do you think Sarah Palin would make a great vice president for Barack Obama?
                Citizen: Oh yes! If he like her then she must a great.

                3) In Florida at an Obama town meeting:
                A citizen was picked by the president to ask him a question:
                Citizen: Will you buy me a new kitchen? I want a new kitchen.
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 6 years, 8 months ago
        Agreed. The KKK always marches and does stupid crap. Usually we don't send "fight starters" and lots and lots of cameras.

        Also, one would imagine the KKK burning things, and tearing things down. But WAIT, that was the BLM people... AGAIN... In deafening SILENCE...
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      • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 8 months ago
        Hi Nickursis,
        I'll add the KKK idiots had a permit pulled by an Obama guy an agitator who has organized BLM rallies. See this post from Khalling titled Pay Attention. http://www.dailywire.com/news/19747/r...
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 8 months ago
          That whole thing stinks, that dude did NOT change his whole philosophy from 180 degrees. I am betting he is a shill who is infiltrated far right because they can be easily manipulated and goaded, just as the far left can, and we get Charlottsville. I am betting the string of such events over the past 10 years are all similar and have similar people behind it. Look at what went on during the Obamanation time: gun issues, race issues and riots, riots, riots. All to get people to want to take away guns, and know that everyone not an avowed Dumbocrap is a racist homophobe. All this and more is constantly played in lamestream media against Trump.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 8 months ago
        "bus in hundreds, or thousands of counter loons,"
        I thought most of the primary loons came in from all over, albeit with a permit. What percentage of the counter-loons came from out of state?
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 8 months ago
          That is a very good question, which I have yet to find data on...when these things happens it is amazing how much you can find, if it is in favor of the ones the media wants to win, and how little on any other angle, and what there is is not facts but twisted negative statements by said media.
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