Who Influenced the Elections the Most?

Posted by mminnick 9 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Who influenced the elections? Who had the most influence? After pondering these questions for a period of time I came up with the following list:
Who influenced the Election? that would be Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump and The DNC.
Who influenced it the most? that would be Hillary Clinton then the DNC then Donald Trump.
Hillary's influence? The comment about a "Basket of Deplorables", Blatantly Lying about her e-mail problems and the semi-open collusion between her Campaign and the Main Stream Media. (And yes the DNC playing favorites in the Primaries didn't help her.)
The leaks, whether thay can from Russian Hackers or an insider are almost immaterial. It is the facts proven by the material confirmed the previous feels the voting public had about her. They had their reason for not voting for her. The reasons were multitudinous but all were there prior to the release of info by WikiLeaks. The WikiLeaks info just confirmed what was already suspected by most. You don't loose 31 states by telling the truth and being honest. You loose they by being a liar and a cheat and not trying really hard for over 30 years to hide that fact because you are a Clinton and deserve the election victory regardless of your abilities and actions.


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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think its interesting that Hillary took advance payments (bribes) for promises of government influence, and now CANT DELIVER. Those contributors must be pretty angry and feel cheated. Maybe THEY will make sure she never gets anywhere again. I doubt she will be able to collect big speaking fees again.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago
    The stupidity of Hillary to think she and her campaign could pull the wool over the eyes of the electorate after she did all the corruption she was into. Thats #1. Number 2 is the media, which pounded Trump ALL the time in an attempt to discredit HIM.
    As to wikileaks and the russians, they only showed what NEEDED to be shown to the people. I applaud them.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
    Actually, for those who take the time to read (which seems rare in this era of attention spans worthy of a fruit fly), all they had to do was to look at the platform on which Clinton was running. She proposed increased taxes for everyone, at all levels of income. She wanted to increase the influx of "refugees" 500% over what Obama had rammed down our throats. She was in favor of open borders and lots of entitlements for the invaders resulting. She adopted Sanders' call for "free" college. She wanted to strangle our native energy industries, cackling about how many coal miners she would put out of work. She favored more taxpayer money for Planned Parenthood, and ever more penalties for perceived slights against the LGBTQ(and however many more letters have been added since I last paid attention) community. She favored increased oversight of law enforcement by Federal watchdogs. She wanted an absolute standard for equal pay, regardless of the differences in the environments of male and female workers. As a thinking human, I could see nothing good in all of this but destruction of our economy and an abandonment of the American principles of individual freedom in favor of an increasingly powerful, dangerous central government. For me, at least, Hillary Clinton had the greatest effect on the outcome of the election.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago
    Hillary Clinton herself, of course. She will never admit it, but the fact that she lost was because she was mired in scandals that have been ever-present in her political life. I seriously doubt there was a candidate so corrupt in the history of the United States.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If the best argument in favor of Clinton is the name-calling of one's political opponents' supporters, it really does tell you how completely void of merit Clinton really was.

    I would also point out another revelation from the hacked emails: that the DNC had paid for people to violently disrupt several of Trump's events and then paid people to blame it on Trump and his supporters. So the very "deplorables" you reference are in fact Democrats.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 2 months ago
    would you believe Donald Trump! after all he did win.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By any reasonable definition of "deplorables", there were likely more in the Clinton camp than in the Trump camp.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "It was half:"
    I was trying to say I generally agree with Clinton's claim that a significant share of Trump's support came from "deplorables", although I do not know if it's 50%. I think the claim is generally a politically-incorrect truth.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 2 months ago
    IMO, the evil hag influenced her loss the more than any other person or factor.
    Speaking for myself, I thought this bribe-taking via the Clinton Foundation liar, who did at least tell the truth about a lib Supreme Court, open borders and flooding the USA with refugees, would be so bad for the country that I voted for the candidate with the best chance of defeating her.
    And I'm glad he did.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly right. Trump's strategy was to win what mattered. His campaign managers recognized that California, New York, and Chicago were a lost cause and a waste of resources, so they went after the critically important states with enough voters who had not been brainwashed by socialist media. Trump didn't waste time in brainwashed socialist Minnesota either. One public visit 2 days before the election. Smart move.
    In some ways Trump's campaign managers are smarter than those of us in the Gulch who still waste resources answering CG's irrational posts. Total waste of time. He didn't learn in 4 years of Obama and voted for him a second time. He didn't learn in 8 years of Obama and voted for Hitlery. Great example of modern political brainwashing. Still in denial and ignoring Hitlery's unethical traitorous actions.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was half:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzTS...

    Trump got millions of votes fewer than Clinton because his focus was on electoral votes. He would have run a very different campaign if popular votes were to decide the winner. At the very least he would have campaigned in California and cut into Clinton's lopsided lead there.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "She said half of his supporters were deplorables"
    I don't know if it was half; a significant share.
    " reasonable people do not base their vote on the "groups" they are allegedly associating with."
    Rational people don't, but most political rhetoric is irrational.
    "Hillary's whole campaign was based on identity politics and "groupthink", and it rightfully failed."
    Trump's campaign had more identity politics, which caused him to get millions of votes fewer than Clinton.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She said half of his supporters were deplorables. I don't think that's truth, politically incorrect or otherwise. And reasonable people do not base their vote on the "groups" they are allegedly associating with. Hillary's whole campaign was based on identity politics and "groupthink", and it rightfully failed.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 2 months ago
    The Dems are keeping the "Russian hacking" issue alive to (1) console themselves over their well-deserved loss, and (2) avoid having to defend the level of corruption and dirty tricks that the leaks exposed.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago
    "The comment about a "Basket of Deplorables""
    This was IMHO a politically-incorrect truth. The deplorables did indeed go for Trump. Trump was slow to disavow them. She was right in this claim. She was hoping reasonable people wouldn't abide being in the same group with them. It partly worked, but not enough to win the electoral college.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago
    I agree the source of the hacking/leaks did not matter.

    I think the deciding factor was how the media and debates made Trump look like the underdog. They kept milking that embarrassing tape of a private conversation and calling it talk about "sexual assault". In the third debate they asked Clinton a few questions about the e-mail issue. She didn't directly answer, and they let it go after two questions. They asked Trump if he committed "sexual assault" several times. Trump didn't directly answer, and they wouldn't let it go.

    I thought the email issue and embarrassing tape issue were not important. On these two unimportant issues, they hounded Trump harder. It was almost like they were trying to corner him into saying, "I am not rapist," a soundbite that would have been played over and over like "I'm not a crook!" He rightly wouldn't give them the lurid quote they wanted. I felt sympathetic toward Trump in that exchange, even though I have a positive view of Clinton, have a negative view of Trump, and think the tapes showed a flaw in Trump's character.
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