Who Influenced the Elections the Most?

Posted by mminnick 7 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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Who influenced the elections? Who had the most influence? After pondering these questions for a period of time I came up with the following list:
Who influenced the Election? that would be Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump and The DNC.
Who influenced it the most? that would be Hillary Clinton then the DNC then Donald Trump.
Hillary's influence? The comment about a "Basket of Deplorables", Blatantly Lying about her e-mail problems and the semi-open collusion between her Campaign and the Main Stream Media. (And yes the DNC playing favorites in the Primaries didn't help her.)
The leaks, whether thay can from Russian Hackers or an insider are almost immaterial. It is the facts proven by the material confirmed the previous feels the voting public had about her. They had their reason for not voting for her. The reasons were multitudinous but all were there prior to the release of info by WikiLeaks. The WikiLeaks info just confirmed what was already suspected by most. You don't loose 31 states by telling the truth and being honest. You loose they by being a liar and a cheat and not trying really hard for over 30 years to hide that fact because you are a Clinton and deserve the election victory regardless of your abilities and actions.


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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 3 months ago
    The Dems are keeping the "Russian hacking" issue alive to (1) console themselves over their well-deserved loss, and (2) avoid having to defend the level of corruption and dirty tricks that the leaks exposed.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 3 months ago
      and to try and taint Trump's presidency. The russians only let out (if indeed it wasnt some 14 year old russian student) the bad things the democrats actually did !!! Things that we needed to know about. Assange and Putin hated Hillary and Obama for sure, and for good reason.

      I have a feeling that if Putin was into this, what he really wanted was to weaken Hillary's expected presidency. I dont think he expected Trump to actually win. Trump would be a more substantial adversary to Russia than lily livered Hillary would have been anyway.

      I think Trump and Putin will meet and in 30 minutes get their individual agendas on the table, and agree on how we can co-exist. Not a bad outcome in my opinion.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 3 months ago
    The stupidity of Hillary to think she and her campaign could pull the wool over the eyes of the electorate after she did all the corruption she was into. Thats #1. Number 2 is the media, which pounded Trump ALL the time in an attempt to discredit HIM.
    As to wikileaks and the russians, they only showed what NEEDED to be shown to the people. I applaud them.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 3 months ago
    Actually, for those who take the time to read (which seems rare in this era of attention spans worthy of a fruit fly), all they had to do was to look at the platform on which Clinton was running. She proposed increased taxes for everyone, at all levels of income. She wanted to increase the influx of "refugees" 500% over what Obama had rammed down our throats. She was in favor of open borders and lots of entitlements for the invaders resulting. She adopted Sanders' call for "free" college. She wanted to strangle our native energy industries, cackling about how many coal miners she would put out of work. She favored more taxpayer money for Planned Parenthood, and ever more penalties for perceived slights against the LGBTQ(and however many more letters have been added since I last paid attention) community. She favored increased oversight of law enforcement by Federal watchdogs. She wanted an absolute standard for equal pay, regardless of the differences in the environments of male and female workers. As a thinking human, I could see nothing good in all of this but destruction of our economy and an abandonment of the American principles of individual freedom in favor of an increasingly powerful, dangerous central government. For me, at least, Hillary Clinton had the greatest effect on the outcome of the election.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
    IMO, the evil hag influenced her loss the more than any other person or factor.
    Speaking for myself, I thought this bribe-taking via the Clinton Foundation liar, who did at least tell the truth about a lib Supreme Court, open borders and flooding the USA with refugees, would be so bad for the country that I voted for the candidate with the best chance of defeating her.
    And I'm glad he did.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 3 months ago
      I think its interesting that Hillary took advance payments (bribes) for promises of government influence, and now CANT DELIVER. Those contributors must be pretty angry and feel cheated. Maybe THEY will make sure she never gets anywhere again. I doubt she will be able to collect big speaking fees again.
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      • Posted by stargeezer 7 years, 3 months ago
        With the closing of the "Clinton Global Initiative" I think she's beginning that short slide into obscurity. Hey, a guy can dream, right? I really don't believe we are going to be shed of these ticks for decades. Although Bill and Hill are too far over the hill to be effective front people for the DNC, there is Chelsea. She has been quietly in the background with her mother, learning the tricks of the trade and her experience running the "Clinton cash laundering foundation" has given her a taste for power and ground floor access to graft.

        She's the one cog in the Clinton machine that Hill and Bill have not fully utilized as a frontman. She is smart, smarter than Hillary and possibly smarter than Bill. If she has the desire and drive, I think she may become effective candidate in the future. If she wants to be one.

        I truely hope I'm wrong and we never hear another peep out of anybody named Clinton.



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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 3 months ago
    Hillary Clinton herself, of course. She will never admit it, but the fact that she lost was because she was mired in scandals that have been ever-present in her political life. I seriously doubt there was a candidate so corrupt in the history of the United States.
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 3 months ago
    Influencing elections began when elections began. It is irrelevant since it doesn't matter who won, the USA continues on the same road with talk of repealing the ACA but not all of it and replacing it with something better is a promise to keep the citizens in the same shackles with a different name. Every country meddles in any other countries efforts of governance (including the USA into others) for any perceived gain of influence and control over others where possible. Those who seek power desire its use not to undo or prevent its use. The promises made to the voting sheeple are just those needed to get their acquiescence so the new leader will know where there might be resistance to learn how to abuse the flock.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 3 months ago
    Why would the Russians want Trump to be Pres-
    ident rather than Hillary Clinton? Isn't she more of
    a Socialist and therefore more in accord with them?
    And anyway, from what I have heard from the
    news, there is no evidence of the Russians having messed with the voting machines, or the
    tabulating machines. So how could the Russians
    actually make any American voters vote for
    one candidate rather than another? I know they
    didn't make me do it.--Not that I like Trump's
    meeting and getting chummy with Putin. That's one thing I despise.
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 3 months ago
      Re: "Why would the Russians want Trump to be President rather than Hillary Clinton?" Because Trump is perceived (correctly) as having a more positive attitude toward Russia than Obama/Clinton.
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  • Posted by NealS 7 years, 3 months ago
    I liked the one in Iowa where her van went around to the back and all the media had to sprint after her. I hope she keeps on avoiding the media. I just hope Obama learns to do so too. I'm sure someone will have to remind him that he is no longer the president.
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  • Posted by cjferraris 7 years, 3 months ago
    From my point of view, it was the vitriol of the campaign that influenced the elections the most. How many videos of people destroying Trump campaign signs, compared to how many of Hillary's? I saw very few Trump/Pence stickers on cars compared to what I did with Hillary or Sanders. Why? Who would knowingly invite damage to their vehicle?
    How many spineless Republicans would not support him? They took an oath to support the nominee and most did not. The Establishment GOP will be gone soon if they don't change their ways..
    We used to be a nation with manners, but now, all we have is a bunch of professional politicians that will use almost any means necessary to win. Most don't care for us, most just want the power.
    Who in their right mind could not see in Hillary's eyes that she wanted the Presidency and she would sacrifice family members on an altar if it meant getting to sit in the White House.
    Most of the politicians use polls to base their stand on, not what's right for the country.

    America has finally had enough.
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  • Posted by peterchunt 7 years, 3 months ago
    The Democrats thought they were “God’s gift to be the perpetual party in power” and it was their hubris that got to them. Nominate anyone with a D behind their name, and the idiots (i.e. deplorables) out there will still vote for him/her! So first they manipulated their nomination campaign to ensure only one person would receive the nomination and of course we all should vote for her because that is what was determined by the elitists in Washington. Well the average American is not stupid, and don’t like elitists in Washington, Hollywood and the media telling them how to vote. Average Americans decided to take back our country from people who don’t understand the state of most Americans. The Democrats own words completed the contract, and they got their asses kicked out of the WH.
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 7 years, 3 months ago
    Easily Trump. He changed the entire dialog and style of the primaries, making everyone talk about him - even the democrats. Then in the general he made the media, Democrats, republicans, independents, etc talk about him. This election was all about Trump from all quarters. Hillary couldn't talk about what she wanted to, all she could do was talk about Trump and his supporters. If the Democrats and progressives were to be believed (hah!) he even got the Russians involved because he was in the race.

    Compared to the effects of every other player in the game, the influence of trump was absolutely enormous - one way or the other.
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  • Posted by CTYankee 7 years, 3 months ago
    Hillary, without a doubt. Her personality was TOXIC and it's the only thing I giver her credit for being.
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    • Posted by CTYankee 7 years, 3 months ago
      Ending a sentence with a preposition; is something up with a shall not put.
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      • Posted by Steven-Wells 7 years, 3 months ago
        Huh?! Perhaps you meant something like:
        The vile Queen of Corruption, Hillary the Congenital Liar was a candidate up with which I could not put.

        As for me, I was about to vote for Gary Johnson when Vlad Putin, himself, climbed right up my leg, grabbed my arm, and forced me to connect the arrow parts (what we do in California) next to Trump's name. That's how I voted for Trump and Pence.

        The first thing I thought when I heard Trump had picked Mike Pence for his running mate was that if Trump died in office and was succeeded by Pence, that would be the tenth president with a monosyllable last name.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
    I agree the source of the hacking/leaks did not matter.

    I think the deciding factor was how the media and debates made Trump look like the underdog. They kept milking that embarrassing tape of a private conversation and calling it talk about "sexual assault". In the third debate they asked Clinton a few questions about the e-mail issue. She didn't directly answer, and they let it go after two questions. They asked Trump if he committed "sexual assault" several times. Trump didn't directly answer, and they wouldn't let it go.

    I thought the email issue and embarrassing tape issue were not important. On these two unimportant issues, they hounded Trump harder. It was almost like they were trying to corner him into saying, "I am not rapist," a soundbite that would have been played over and over like "I'm not a crook!" He rightly wouldn't give them the lurid quote they wanted. I felt sympathetic toward Trump in that exchange, even though I have a positive view of Clinton, have a negative view of Trump, and think the tapes showed a flaw in Trump's character.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 3 months ago
      The media was totally dishonest and biased. I have decided that 90% of what all the media pumps isnt what I need to devote attention to. I canned CNN from my available channels, and wont watch any of the other mainstream channels with the possible exception of some programs on FOX. I like John Stossel actually, and I am glad Megyn Kelley is gone.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
    "The comment about a "Basket of Deplorables""
    This was IMHO a politically-incorrect truth. The deplorables did indeed go for Trump. Trump was slow to disavow them. She was right in this claim. She was hoping reasonable people wouldn't abide being in the same group with them. It partly worked, but not enough to win the electoral college.
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 3 months ago
      She said half of his supporters were deplorables. I don't think that's truth, politically incorrect or otherwise. And reasonable people do not base their vote on the "groups" they are allegedly associating with. Hillary's whole campaign was based on identity politics and "groupthink", and it rightfully failed.
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
        "She said half of his supporters were deplorables"
        I don't know if it was half; a significant share.
        " reasonable people do not base their vote on the "groups" they are allegedly associating with."
        Rational people don't, but most political rhetoric is irrational.
        "Hillary's whole campaign was based on identity politics and "groupthink", and it rightfully failed."
        Trump's campaign had more identity politics, which caused him to get millions of votes fewer than Clinton.
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        • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 3 months ago
          It was half:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzTS...

          Trump got millions of votes fewer than Clinton because his focus was on electoral votes. He would have run a very different campaign if popular votes were to decide the winner. At the very least he would have campaigned in California and cut into Clinton's lopsided lead there.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 3 months ago
            Exactly right. Trump's strategy was to win what mattered. His campaign managers recognized that California, New York, and Chicago were a lost cause and a waste of resources, so they went after the critically important states with enough voters who had not been brainwashed by socialist media. Trump didn't waste time in brainwashed socialist Minnesota either. One public visit 2 days before the election. Smart move.
            In some ways Trump's campaign managers are smarter than those of us in the Gulch who still waste resources answering CG's irrational posts. Total waste of time. He didn't learn in 4 years of Obama and voted for him a second time. He didn't learn in 8 years of Obama and voted for Hitlery. Great example of modern political brainwashing. Still in denial and ignoring Hitlery's unethical traitorous actions.
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            Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
            "It was half:"
            I was trying to say I generally agree with Clinton's claim that a significant share of Trump's support came from "deplorables", although I do not know if it's 50%. I think the claim is generally a politically-incorrect truth.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 3 months ago
              If the best argument in favor of Clinton is the name-calling of one's political opponents' supporters, it really does tell you how completely void of merit Clinton really was.

              I would also point out another revelation from the hacked emails: that the DNC had paid for people to violently disrupt several of Trump's events and then paid people to blame it on Trump and his supporters. So the very "deplorables" you reference are in fact Democrats.
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