Who Influenced the Elections the Most?
Who influenced the elections? Who had the most influence? After pondering these questions for a period of time I came up with the following list:
Who influenced the Election? that would be Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump and The DNC.
Who influenced it the most? that would be Hillary Clinton then the DNC then Donald Trump.
Hillary's influence? The comment about a "Basket of Deplorables", Blatantly Lying about her e-mail problems and the semi-open collusion between her Campaign and the Main Stream Media. (And yes the DNC playing favorites in the Primaries didn't help her.)
The leaks, whether thay can from Russian Hackers or an insider are almost immaterial. It is the facts proven by the material confirmed the previous feels the voting public had about her. They had their reason for not voting for her. The reasons were multitudinous but all were there prior to the release of info by WikiLeaks. The WikiLeaks info just confirmed what was already suspected by most. You don't loose 31 states by telling the truth and being honest. You loose they by being a liar and a cheat and not trying really hard for over 30 years to hide that fact because you are a Clinton and deserve the election victory regardless of your abilities and actions.
Who influenced the Election? that would be Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump and The DNC.
Who influenced it the most? that would be Hillary Clinton then the DNC then Donald Trump.
Hillary's influence? The comment about a "Basket of Deplorables", Blatantly Lying about her e-mail problems and the semi-open collusion between her Campaign and the Main Stream Media. (And yes the DNC playing favorites in the Primaries didn't help her.)
The leaks, whether thay can from Russian Hackers or an insider are almost immaterial. It is the facts proven by the material confirmed the previous feels the voting public had about her. They had their reason for not voting for her. The reasons were multitudinous but all were there prior to the release of info by WikiLeaks. The WikiLeaks info just confirmed what was already suspected by most. You don't loose 31 states by telling the truth and being honest. You loose they by being a liar and a cheat and not trying really hard for over 30 years to hide that fact because you are a Clinton and deserve the election victory regardless of your abilities and actions.
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As to wikileaks and the russians, they only showed what NEEDED to be shown to the people. I applaud them.
Obama's Legacy = TRUMP
I would also point out another revelation from the hacked emails: that the DNC had paid for people to violently disrupt several of Trump's events and then paid people to blame it on Trump and his supporters. So the very "deplorables" you reference are in fact Democrats.
I was trying to say I generally agree with Clinton's claim that a significant share of Trump's support came from "deplorables", although I do not know if it's 50%. I think the claim is generally a politically-incorrect truth.
Speaking for myself, I thought this bribe-taking via the Clinton Foundation liar, who did at least tell the truth about a lib Supreme Court, open borders and flooding the USA with refugees, would be so bad for the country that I voted for the candidate with the best chance of defeating her.
And I'm glad he did.
In some ways Trump's campaign managers are smarter than those of us in the Gulch who still waste resources answering CG's irrational posts. Total waste of time. He didn't learn in 4 years of Obama and voted for him a second time. He didn't learn in 8 years of Obama and voted for Hitlery. Great example of modern political brainwashing. Still in denial and ignoring Hitlery's unethical traitorous actions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzTS...
Trump got millions of votes fewer than Clinton because his focus was on electoral votes. He would have run a very different campaign if popular votes were to decide the winner. At the very least he would have campaigned in California and cut into Clinton's lopsided lead there.
I don't know if it was half; a significant share.
" reasonable people do not base their vote on the "groups" they are allegedly associating with."
Rational people don't, but most political rhetoric is irrational.
"Hillary's whole campaign was based on identity politics and "groupthink", and it rightfully failed."
Trump's campaign had more identity politics, which caused him to get millions of votes fewer than Clinton.
This was IMHO a politically-incorrect truth. The deplorables did indeed go for Trump. Trump was slow to disavow them. She was right in this claim. She was hoping reasonable people wouldn't abide being in the same group with them. It partly worked, but not enough to win the electoral college.
I think the deciding factor was how the media and debates made Trump look like the underdog. They kept milking that embarrassing tape of a private conversation and calling it talk about "sexual assault". In the third debate they asked Clinton a few questions about the e-mail issue. She didn't directly answer, and they let it go after two questions. They asked Trump if he committed "sexual assault" several times. Trump didn't directly answer, and they wouldn't let it go.
I thought the email issue and embarrassing tape issue were not important. On these two unimportant issues, they hounded Trump harder. It was almost like they were trying to corner him into saying, "I am not rapist," a soundbite that would have been played over and over like "I'm not a crook!" He rightly wouldn't give them the lurid quote they wanted. I felt sympathetic toward Trump in that exchange, even though I have a positive view of Clinton, have a negative view of Trump, and think the tapes showed a flaw in Trump's character.