Dr. Ben Carson on the Pyramids

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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I heard this on NPR coming home. They were interviewing Andy Borowitz, a blogger and columnist for The New Yorker. At issue was the so-called war on so-called fake news. Borowitz writes satire -- ("Putin to Sing at Trump Inauguration"). On that note, considering that Dr. Ben Carson has been selected to be nominated the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Borowitz uncovered this, which actually surfaced a year ago, November 4-5, 2015.

Dr. Ben Carson believes that the pyramids were built to store grain. He also believes that "scientists" believe that aliens built the pyramids.

Ben Carson Stands by His Unusual Theory About the Pyramids.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ben-carso...

It originated with BuzzFeed here:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/natemcdermot...

The speech in on YouTube, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrqSh...

Carson is a Seventh Day Adventist and was speaking at Andrews University, a Seventh Day Adventist school.


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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 3 months ago
    My reaction to this story is "so what?" Does a fringe belief about the pyramids prevent him from doing his job? What he believes is no more ludicrous than the fanatic religious, Gaia-worshipping members of the climate change religion, and they've already done some serious damage.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 3 months ago
      Bingo! Right on target. I did not buy into his beliefs (there is another video where he espouses the "Earth is 30K years old" belief) but he does have a good track record, and usually makes a lot of sense on political and economic ideas. He is a qualified as any other loon that Barack Baby rolled into DC, and he is not beholding to anyone, that I am aware of. At least I do not believe he will sell out to whatever political group tells him too, like, oh, say the IRS, the Justice Department, the EPA..etc..during the present empire.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 3 months ago
    There are many theories about the pyramids, the one that seems to be rationally and empirically thought out and observed is that they are much older than the Egyptian civilization. As for what they were used for...a source of power is an interesting one.

    However, it's pretty clear that nothing to date probably comes even close to the actual reasons they were built or used for...It would be a total waist if used for pagan mystical burial tomes or grain storage.
    Pagan, bicameral man and his pagan bicameral rulers, (human or not) may not have been conscious entities quite yet but I don't think they were all that stupid.
    So to chide Carson on this point is silly because no one has the answers and we all have a thought or two on the subject.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
      Hi OUC,
      The actual reasons for the pyramids being built is certainly up in the air. If you ask just about anyone they will say what they were taught that they were burial sites for mummies. There has not been a mummy found in any pyramid in Egypt . They have found many Pharos tombs and the all are filled with hieroglyphs covering the walls and ceilings as well as items to take to the duat. There are no hieroglyphs in the great pyramid .I seriously doubt grain storage was the purpose. My thoughts are that vibrations and energy are part of the machine. Yes it is a machine built of stone. The pyramids especially the great pyramid in Giza is an enigma. Many aspects of thisbuilding is almost impossible to rectify. My studies of it show that the mathematical elements , the precision is almost impossible to comprehend.

      I find this post puzzling... is the point to denigrate a brain surgeon for his hypothesis about archeology and to ignore a positive message? Particularly when the archaeological theories are full of holes.

      Smells like a progressive rat trap.

      His speech included his belief about the pyramids it was in reference to the bible story of Joseph the Slave .In his story Carson speaks of Joseph thinking big (the theme get it ,MM) Being a slave Joseph was determined to be the best slave he could be and he ended up in charge of the Egyptians grain and built the pyramids to store the grain that feed the folks for 7 yrs of drought and Joseph became a top official for the Egyptians.

      The idea "rags to riches" by individual achievement. A leftist nightmare.

      At a graduation ceremony the students are not attending a class they are preparing for entry to the real world. The speech should be designed to encourage success and contain some element to attain that success? The point of the story was for the graduates to think big and work to attain those goals and he was trying to give them an example, he then followed with his own story of rising from being a crappy student to a world class brain surgeon , oh and he didn't have white privilege.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 3 months ago
        Exactly! !!!...the left has a knack of picking things out of context.

        A while back I read an article that detailed a process that may have been used in the pyramids to create hydrogen fuel. It was very well thought out but in no way stated the thesis as definitive.

        If someday we solve the mystery...we won't have the pyramids to kick around anymore.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 3 months ago
        Dob, as we have discussed in other threads, the Pyramid question has a lot of hard, factual data to say that they are not as the Egyptologists would have everyone believe. Graham Hancock has some well founded theories, that he does not pretend to "own" and he makes a persuasive case for their being much older. The "alien" idea could even mean the theoretical previous civilization Hancock espouses, since no one has any data on just what they could or could not do, if they existed.
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    • Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 3 months ago
      Just because we don't know how they did it that does not justify jumping to the conclusion that the Egyptians, or the Aztecs for that matter, had extraterrestrial help.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 3 months ago
        No it doesn't but it also doesn't mean they didn't...it's an interesting discussion we have all added our two cents to.
        I would entertain all the maybe's.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 3 months ago
          Unless you have a little evidence that might point to something other than those humans who might have built the pyramids, it would be best to not try to prove a negative about extraterrestrials. The best evidence for them might be that bicameral mind giving dreamy stuff to the beholder.
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 3 months ago
            The bicameral brain was wacky enough, uncontrolled by a mind; but at the same time capable of many amazing things, and who knows, we may be giving bicameral man too much or too little credit here.
            My impression is that ole Ben Carson was simply stating what some think, not claiming what is...

            MM's response below seems to pinpoint why this is even a discussion.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
            Your opinion is valid about the bicameral brain but , you have no evidence to support it. Maybe if you studied the enigma of the pyramids you would know that how it was built with such astonishing precision is why the issue of the builders is so murky.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 3 months ago
    The fundamental problem here is the difference between belief and understanding. Belief is uncritical and accepts "truth" on the basis of authority. Understanding begins with skepticism and demands to know "why" before accepting the validity of a statement. It is the difference between believing that two plus two makes four and knowing why two plus two makes four. I know a number of very competent physicians that are also deeply religious. I suspect that when one becomes aware of the astonishing complexity of the human body it is difficult to accept that such a thing could come about purely by chance. As a physicist I am aware of forces and processes in the cosmos that we understand dimly at best. There is compelling evidence that there is a universal process by which simple systems evolve into more complex ones and this process rules from the sub atomic to the cosmological. It is tempting to ascribe this phenomenon to a supernatural entity but that, unfortunately, does not alter the fundamental nature of the question, only its scope. I suspect that we will only come to a real understanding of the roll of intelligence in the universe when we arrive at a better definition of intelligence its self.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 3 months ago
      Belief is a general term with respect to mental recall. It it does not specify the reason for the mental content nor does understanding. A belief may indicate that something understood is actually true or that something is just thought to be true through some memory. Suppose you understand something. That does not mean that that is true but only that you can connect logically to facts of reality that you believe to be true. Belief does not necessarily just accept truth on the basis of authority unless one makes that authority oneself which would fit Rand in a great many cases. A priori thought, as in philosophy, can never get reality right just as understanding may be right or wrong. One has to go on what one believes one knows or get caught in spinning one's mental wheels in wasted time continuing to look for the really true facts. For progress in knowledge, errors must be made and corrected and perhaps still be in error for later generations to correct.

      That evolutionary process may just be a description of perceived reality and nothing that is some existing cause of evolving systems. There need not be a caused causal chain for some future effect, just chemical actions taking place for no reason other than they can happen. Things may just evolve as accidents which can happen with no intelligent design behind them except for rare exceptions due to some rational beings who most of the time act nearly automatically.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
      That pretty much describes my view of the universe. I use the label "atheist" easily, but under that are many unknowns. The Universe did not have a Creator, but Earth may well have. After all, we build houses ... in outer space...

      Nominal atheists Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins agreed that what we perceive at the subatomic level may be consequences of something else that we do not perceive but the understanding of which would answer some questions. Beyond that, they had no opinions ...
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
    Me dino has seen diagrams of the burial chambers and the corridors to access them.
    Jamming grain into those things composed almost entirely of stone blocks would be silly.
    And what would Egyptians call products made of such grave grain?
    Sarcophagus Cereal? Pyramid Pretzels? Dead Donuts? Ghoul Gruel? Mummy Mush?
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 3 months ago
      Actually, there is no real evidence to assume anyone was ever buried in there. The three Pyramids are unique not just for their size, but for the fact that they are almost completely devoid of any decoration or glyphs claiming to belong to anyone. What there is also does not correlate to dates either. It is one of he odd things about them, and also was a reason the grain theory became popular to explain it.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
        For storing grain, there are simpler methods than to build a huge massive structure with tiny tunnels in it.
        Using the tiny tunnels in comparison to the structure to store grain may not be unreasonable if some pharaoh got overthrown and exiled.
        Shifting desert sands may not be a good place of a pit but they did have buildings and wells on more table ground.
        Still, I'v e read that Egypt was a lot greener in ancient times.
        https://www.google.com/search?q=silo+...
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        • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
          This post is just to discredit a man. A very accomplished brain surgeon who was trying to make a point to graduates that if they think big, with determination and work hard great achievements can occur. His story or thoughts about the pyramid was not the point of his speech. I will repeat. Is the point to denigrate a brain surgeon for his hypothesis about archeology and to ignore a positive message? Particularly when the archaeological theories are full of holes
          Smells like a progressive rat trap.
          The idea "rags to riches" by individual achievement. It is a leftist nightmare. So they discredit the messenger of that idea.
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
            I think Carson is very accomplished person all round but I think his pyramid theory is a bit flaky. I admire the man but generally speaking.
            Based on a statement he made, I don't think Dr. Carson would approve of my 30-round clip carbine in an urban area but the Hoover Tactical rifle range is in very urban Hoover just beyond Birmingham's Southside. I have a problem with any nitpicking of the Second Amendment. .
            But if Carson ran against $hillary, I would have voted for him. Think she would have beat him, though, along with Ted Cruz, who I voted for in the primary.
            The Donald giving the evil hag a bad hair day seems akin to a miracle.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 7 years, 3 months ago
    So long as he does not bring his Millerite ideas to government, who cares? His political goal is to do something about the inner cities, and so far his ideas in that regard look good.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 3 months ago
      Thats what I think, as well. I do not want people in any office who have their own agenda, and will manipulate things to fit it. Enough of that in the last 8 years....
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
    What is the relationship between Dr. Carson's incorrect idea that scientists think aliens helped build the pyramids and fake news?
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 3 months ago
      I'm sure "some" scientist think this, we all seem to have an opinion on the subject so I wouldn't call the statement incorrect but Mike just suggested the link between this and fake news that might be correct.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
      As I understand it, along the line of "Putin to Sing at Trump Inaugural" Andy Borowitz was googling "Ben Carson + homes" to find something that he could use and found the old story about his speech at Andrews University, truth being stranger than fiction.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 3 months ago
        Except his data is a wee bit out of date, something from the last year would be more appropriate. It is like expecting Trump to grab every ass and boob in the WH after he takes over, because he may have done it 15 years ago. People change, grow and mature. Although Trump may be a bit whacky..Carson has not been out in right field, except when he started during the primaries speaking about the 30K year old Earth (from biblical references) as if it was fact. His only problem there was in not making it clear it is his belief based on his religion, and separated the religion from the science.
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  • Posted by dnr 7 years, 3 months ago
    I think that Ben Carson, the brain surgeon, may have accidentally removed part of his own brain by mistake. In my experience, individuals who have beliefs that are not supported by actual evidence cannot be trusted to make otherwise rational decisions.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 3 months ago
    I never thought Ben was all that bright. Ever. I am inspired by the lady who raised him. I don't think he's a bad guy. But, he has expressed interest in forced medical treatment so I couldn't support him as a presidential candidate. No surprise if he believes in aliens and all that crap. Whatever...Go believe in aliens away from my family.
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    • Posted by mminnick 7 years, 3 months ago
      Try being a Pediatric Neuro surgeon without being bright. Doesn't work well, especially for the patients.
      Some of his religious beliefs and views of acient history may be off of main stream, that doesn't make him any less bright, just of main stream.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 3 months ago
        Look, I've worked with enough PhDs to know that a guy can describe the workings of a linear accelerator and not be able to tie his own shoes. I know very bright people who are convinced that aliens have already invaded us. I think Ben has some good marbles in that dome, possibly along with a few oblong ones. I could relate... He could be a hack pediatric surgeon and neither you or I would know. They're out there too. I know one here in town - just a fat, bloated moron. A total failure who is well-protected in a huge HMO.
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        • Posted by mminnick 7 years, 3 months ago
          Just remember one ting. Just because you don't believe something doesn't make you right and the belivers wrong. Look at the history of scrince and you can construt it by taking almost every categorical statement as to the impossibility of something and see that it was sooner or later overturned by factual experiments.
          Just take care my friend.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 3 months ago
          I have had that same experience, Abaco, with Masters and PHds who have absolutely no common sense, or grasp of reality. Although in his case, if there were enough evidence to support a bad view, I would have expected it to surface during the primaries, and there were only a couple claims he was a quack, and they quickly faded.
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  • Posted by Solver 7 years, 3 months ago
    The pyramids are wonderful examples of what can be built when people are compelled by force to "work together" for some greater cause.
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