Posted by Herb7734 1 year ago to Culture
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I thought that we might contemplate a subject having little to do with politics. Being old, I often look at things based on what would today be considered as no longer in use. Take beauty for example, I think we can all agree on certain standards of beauty like when we see a flower, certain art, or hear a piece of /http://music.It is pretty easy to expound on their beauty. One thing, however, I find to be less easily understood, is the beauty of people.

Standards of what is considered beautiful have changed from era to era, and generation to generation. Look at runway models. They are skinny, barely pubescent girls. And , girls is what they are, not women. Yes, they have beauty, but they are not a standard of beauty. Real women simply don't look like that. Compared to women, when it comes to beauty in men, they have it much easier. They seem to come in all shapes and sizes but still get their share of admiration. I suppose the current standard for male beauty comes from Hawaii in the form of an ex-wrestler named Dwayne Johnson.

But beauty, and I mean real beauty is not just skin and bones. It is also intellect, attitude, grace, and expression. I started thinking about this one day as I thought about my wife. When I first met her at a party 62 years ago, and asked her to dance, she was pretty and she was a great dancer. She made my stumbling steps look good. As I look at her today, I realize that she has grown into true beauty. And I thought, how fortunate I was to be committed to such a woman, whose true beauty has only grown as the years have gone by. I hope I am up to her standards.

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  • Posted by Mamaemma 1 year ago
    Herb, I think you have seen that a woman's beauty blossoms when she has the experience of sharing her life with a man who cherishes and admires her. It sounds to me like both you and your wife have loved your life together.
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    • Posted by dwlievert 1 year ago

      Though it can be objectively defined within a context (symetry, form following function, etc), I would argue it is ultimately subjective. It is indeed "in the mind of the beholder."

      When one or more of the senses encounters it, the mind produces that warm inner glow of recognition and pleasure, triggered by its possessed and imagined values.

      Great question Herb!
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      • Posted by 1 year ago
        There are so-called standards of beauty, but you're right, it's subjective. I would bet that if you were describing a color to a person blind from birth and another person described the same color, I'd bet that the bind person would think they were two different things.
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        • Posted by khalling 1 year ago
          I have often wondered about the usefulness of scented crayons and names for crayons not tied to a visual experience-like "cornflower." Rather colors based on tactile or abstract description. "fire" "rain" all the flowers and how they smell. ( I guess it might take a blind person to explain to me the difference in smell between a red rose and a yellow one ) but even if we take sight away, what about hearing? objectively, people argue over music. Hardly objective, here is Helen Keller's thought on the subject of beauty: "The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt within the heart."
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          • Posted by 1 year ago
            I have only been able to grasp Helen Keller's "descriptions" as products of pure imagination. But, you are certainly right about music. There are persons in the Gulch that hate some music that I love. I cannot account for it. About the only "music" the seems to be about 95% disliked is Hip-Hop.
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  • Posted by mminnick 1 year ago
    As has often be said "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." As you say it is not just skin and bones. It is intelligence, spirit, humanity and many other intangible things. We have all had the thought pass our minds when we see a couple whose physical attributes do sync-up. One is much more physically attracte than the other and we say What did A see in B? This is where all of the intangible things come into play. It is the "Enchanted Cottage" effect in full play. Sometimes you just don't "see" the imperfections in another and, you know, the world is usually better off in that situation.
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    • Posted by 1 year ago
      My wife looks 10 years younger than me. (We're both the same age.) When we were younger, she was mistaken for my daughter. You can't beat good genes.
      "The Enchanted Cottage." I haven't thought of that excellent oldie for many years.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 1 year ago
    This is weird. Yesterday I recalled the famous saying, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" for no reason at all while walking through my home en route to the kitchen and while staring at nothing in particular.
    Next day I'm reading this post about beauty.
    Over the years I've lost count of the times I've out of nowhere thought of a movie I've seen before and within three days there it is on TV.
    Me dino wonders if I have a useless ESP gift.
    I call it useless because it lacks any benefit.
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  • Posted by  $  Snezzy 1 year ago
    Blame, in part, the fashion designers. They seem to want to design for people who look like 12-year-old boys, The models must then look the part. One designer, years ago, was asked by a lady of decidedly feminine proportions why nothing was ever designed in her size. "Madame," he replied, "I am a fashion designer, not a tent-maker!"

    Is it possible, perhaps, that fashion designers do not like women?
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    • Posted by Steven-Wells 1 year ago
      Designers like women who look like waifs or tall clothes hangers to dress with a couple band aids and a cork. A friend of mine likes some aspects of the modern tall model, but wants them with a little more chest, thus the "giraffe with tits" look, say Eva Green. Personally, I'm a throwback to a weightier age, preferring Marilyn Monroe as she looked in Some Like It Hot (1959). She would rate as plus size in modern measurements, but steamed up Tony Curtis’s glasses (and many others’).
      Because of the emphasis on body over clothes, contemporary adult video starlets look curvier than fashion models; for example (some A names): Alexis Texas, August Ames, Asa Akira, Adriana Chechik, Lisa Ann.
      My comments above are all visual—ignoring, intellect, poise, character, grace, ...
      For hotties with brains, thoughtfulness, and perspective, watch Outnumbered on Fox News, typically hosted by Sandra Smith, Harris Faulkner, and pretty plus-sized Meghan McCain.
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  • Posted by jhannen 1 year ago
    My contribution to beauty would have to be confidence and strength. I've always said that what I found most attractive in particularly women is confidence, strength and a positive, can-do attitude.
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  • Posted by chad 1 year ago
    I don't know that men have it any easier when it comes to judging beauty and only looking at symmetry and muscle tone. Any one lucky enough to find someone to love and be loved by is fortunate, there are few choices when it comes to marrying intellect, moral choices and objectivist thinking. Then there are the personal idiosyncrasies we hope will be appreciated and not made fun of.
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    • Posted by 1 year ago
      depends on whether they are funny or not. We all have idiosyncrasies, but I think a person should be comfortable enough with them to not care what anyone else thinks about them.
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  • Posted by cwieder3 1 year ago
    Sorting through the comments posted on this subject, I would add LIFE, as an essential quality/standard of (human) beauty. “Spirit,” which was suggested by mminnick is pretty much a synonym in this context. Life, as you all know, is, according to Rand, the standard of morality. I think that life (thriving aliveness) is the aesthetic counterpart to the life-standard in moral theory.
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  • Posted by GaryL 1 year ago
    Good one Herb! Like me you are realizing that many things do actually get better with age. Like a fine scotch I've been noticing this more and more. I like the older cars and the music from the 50s, 60s and 70s. I still do love the youthful female form but would not trade my wife for any of that. She sure was a looker back in the day but the mirror shows my own image too so I am perfectly fine with the imperfections as we grow older and much happier. I do remember when as a young buck I was dumb enough to be liberal left leaning and as I matured that too has changed drastically. I would have shunned the Gultch back then and now I am constantly searching for it. I do believe this, Too young dumb and too old smart.
    Thanks for posting.
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  • Posted by  $  rbroberg 11 months, 4 weeks ago
    "[...] real beauty is not just skin and bones."
    Human beings do indeed have attributes beyond the physical description reproduced on their licenses, passports, or Match profiles. If the mind is man's tool of survival, then wouldn't "intellect, attitude, grace, and expression" have equal or greater importance to weight, height, hair color, eye color, etc.? Herb, I like it.

    On the other end of the argument, we should ask what is the reason a particular culture values youth and a slender frame when the maintenance of such a figure requires self-induced vomiting, starvation, amphetamines, and hours of Pilates, for example.
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