Because the establishment wants to force the people's hand. Our current electoral system is no different than that of the USSR - line up, put a check mark next to who the system tells you to vote, and drop it in the box. Of course, comrade, you do not wish to have someone in charge other than who WE tell you is right person. Da? DA!!

Me dino feels patriotically motivated to vote AGAINST sick evil hag Shillary becoming the best president money can bribe.
Should Big Brother in some form or fashion come knocking to tell you how you're supposed to sacrifice freedoms about this, that or whatever, don't point any accusatory fingers at me. The guns of tyranny will be pointing at all of us anyway.
I also do not find watching the U.S. Constitution burn along with its Bill of Rights all that appealing.

And mandatory maternity leave is really going to help that...

What specific regulations has Trump vowed to cut back on? He's made generalizations, but nothing specific. Will Hillary continue our stagnation - even to the point of a recession? I believe she will. But punishing businesses for leaving the United States is going to help? I don't think so.

What we need is to lower corporate income taxes. We need to lower personal income taxes. And most of all we need to trim the government budget - drastically. We need to come together as a nation and understand that we can not spend our way into prosperity as the Democrats would have us believe. Infrastructure spending does not drive innovation nor does it drive business - unless you are a crony road construction firm. True economic growth comes when new businesses are free to form and bring their ideas to customers and when existing businesses aren't so burdened by red tape that they have to raise their prices to compensate!

And do you want to know the single word I didn't hear mentioned even once at the debates? Constitution We all knew Hillary wants nothing to do with it, but this is why I agreed with Ted Cruz in his Republican Convention speech and why Donald threw such a fit about it: he doesn't care about the Constitution.

Here are the choices, and the outcomes: Hillary, supported by the globalists and big money elite gets elected, and either continues, like Obama, to find her way around Congress, or with the help of the media shames the Congress into doing her bidding, with the result being the end of liberty and any opportunity to shrug; Trump gets elected, and worst case makes a mess of things, even with the best of intentions, but personal liberty remains, including the ability to shrug. Vote for a third party, as you choose, but it will be a vote of conscience with no meaningful result, as a Hillary victory will make that choice extremely unlikely in the future.

I shrug this election too...it's sickening. I've tried real hard to give the benefit of the doubt to some, ie Johnson, and yea...trumpet too. And...I'm real disappointed in the American people in spite of the fact that they have been lead by the nose to this slaughter. I do realize that everyone is not a natural skeptic, obstinate or bound and determined at birth to do it your own way. Not everyone, for a multitude of reasons can awaken from the bicameral sleep the culture has engaged in, (and let's face it, we all at one point or another have curled up into that bicameral space too)...still, knowing what mankind is capable of...I can do nothing but shake my head.

Hillary didnt need to decimate him. She rigged the system so he would never even get a shot. Look at what she did to Sanders.

Think about what a collapse really would be like. The entitled people by the millions would riot in the streets, looting would be rampant, the items you expect to find easily in stores would be hard to find, the $$ would be worthless, and trading would be difficult.

The rich, as in other statist countries, would get first shot at whatever was made, and would find ways to use whatever government was left to protect them. The so called 1% would do fine.

Check out Venezuela. That is our future.

Trump was prepared, BUT he isnt the greatest at the quick comebacks and turnarounds that are required in the so called "debate format', particularly with 80 million people watching and all the hype leading up to the debate. He did bring out very clearly a number of points, and I hope people listen to them.

Hillary is very crooked, is owned by the people who gave to the Clinton foundation, is crooked enough to get the FBI to whitewash her email hiding and destructions, and knows nothing about business and the economy.

I want to shrug, but the choice is getting close to stop living at this point if one REALLY shrugs, or try to slow down the crony statism process and try to exist with some sort of decent life until its just impossible, or we die.

Even Dagny and Rearden did that. They didnt want to give up. If Hillary wins, she will destroy my small business and at that point I will definitely shrug. Her tax increases and $15/hr minimum wages will make it impossible for us to continue operating in the USA. Our 10 employees will surely be out of work at that point.

So although Trump is not perfect, and even if he were, he would have to get the congress to go along with him to save the country. But, he will slow down the process of degeneration and thwart the crony socialists somewhat.

Thats why I will vote for him and hope others do also. Look at what Obama has done in only 8 years. Hillary will only speed up that process. Small businesses simply cannot withstand Hillary's regulatory onslaught and spending proposals.

The crowd and Holt pandering to Hildermort, and watching Trump look like the neighborhood tweaker on stage confirms my decision to vote for the candidate from the party with which I am registered. At least THAT Johnson looks and sounds presidential... not Imperial or Confused.

I share the disgust, frustration, anger and whatever other descriptions one might have, but so what are people here saying - that our govt is so broken that it is better to let it collapse than organize ( a la Tea Party, State's Convention, etc) to work to turn it around ?
A.S. is terrific - as fiction. If the U.S. were to collapse the world would end. Literally, imo.

I really appreciate your words. I haven't voted for quite some time. You really nail it here, AJ.

Like edweaver, I only watched the first half of the debate. "DT" was completely unprepared in what I watched. The argument, these days, isn't about more or less government. It's about what everybody wants from their bloated and growing government. I know I don't belong. Anymore, I'm just here to make money and provide for my family.

I had an interesting thing occur a little over a year ago when I decided to step back into the machine and meet with my State Assembly member for a few meetings regarding a law on forced medical treatment. I explained a lot of the science behind why I was opposed, then at the end touched on the basic ethics (Nuremberg, etc...) He listened intently (unusual) and went in and voted against the party line. By the time the law passed I was back in my current version of Galt's Gulch. This society, this nation is in serious trouble. It's sad to watch. But, we have to have our own priorities...

Agreed. If for no other reason Johnson would have pulled the conversation to more substantial matters. But thats why he was left out, why provide substance between two crappy options?

I only watched the last half hour of the debate and have to say it did nothing to motivate me to vote. In fact it made me think of not voting for the first time in my life. I called it the most unprofessional, childish debate that I'd ever seen. Told my stepdaughter that she could have seen a better debate in her high school. Of course it is possible the first hour was better than the last but... Just not impressed with those 2 and really wish Johnson was there. I'd like to see him perform in that environment.