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Who Would You Choose?

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If it were possible to put together a discussion group of great people, past and present, who would you choose? We know who the #1 choice would be for most of us. Who else, and why? Limit it to your top ten.


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  • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 1 year, 2 months ago
    Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin because of their brilliant minds.
    C. S. Lewis and Bishop Fulton J. Sheen...to see how they would do in a religious discussion with Ayn Rand.
    Jane Austen for her wit.
    Ambassador John Bolton who wouldn't put up with ISIS for one minute.
    Mickey Mantle because he was great, and I would like to know what he thought of his father.
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  • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 1 year, 2 months ago
    Signers of the Declaration,Articles of Confederationi and Constitution or a representative group.

    Robert Heinlein
    Temujin Genghis Khan
    Henry Hazlitt

    The individual who chaired the first French Assembly where they decided who was left and who was right and the vantage point used.

    How's that?

    Couldn't think of any others half so interesting.

    Now you can change yours!!! But thanks for the nomination I'm enjoying be atypical.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 year, 2 months ago
      Michael a great choice.
      "The times call for courage. The times call for hard work. But if the demands are high, it is because the stakes are even higher. They are nothing less than the future of liberty, which means the future of civilization" Henry Stuart Hazlitt
      His opposition to Bretton Woods agreement that created the world bank and the IMF as he said would cause inflation was spot on.
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  • Posted by  $  richrobinson 1 year, 2 months ago
    Ben Franklin, John Adams, James Monroe and Thomas Jefferson. I would love to hear their opinions about where we are right now.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
      I love the inclusion of Adams, the feisty little guy from Mass. How about Roosevelt and Reagan, as long as you're doing presidents.
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      • Posted by  $  richrobinson 1 year, 2 months ago
        Adams definitely had a little attitude. Teddy and FDR would be fascinating to talk to. Should have put Jackie Kennedy in there. A very private person in life I would love to hear what she would say about JFK personally, as President and her opinions on who was behind his assassination.
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      • Posted by fosterj717 1 year, 2 months ago
        Both Teddy and FDR were extreme Progressives added to our malaise with FDR's programs only succeeding in prolonging the Great Depression and putting us on this trajectory to the "1984" Brave New World we are facing today.....Roosevelt would be a great counterpoint to the cast of truly great thinkers!
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        • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 1 year, 2 months ago
          Another interesting era of history. Stock Market Crash, Great Depression, unemployment figures for the New Deal and WWII. Can you think about how far apart the dates were in terms of years?
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  • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
    Barney the Dinosaur--just kidding!
    George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, George Patton, Alvin York, Baron von Richthofen, Oswald Boelcke, Vincent Van Gogh, Bram Stoker, Edgar Allen Poe, Ray Harryhausen, Ray Bradbury, Frank Frazetta, Bernard Herman, Sergio Leone and Enio Morricone.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
      Your choices pretty much define you better than most. I'd ask Barney what turned him purple.
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      • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
        Just added Oswald Boelcke, who first established the rules of aerial dog fighting. Had a time finding him with limited time to edit on the search engine just to spell his last name.
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        • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
          That's someone I would never have thought of.
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          • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
            I'm fascinated with World War One overall and of the air http://combat.in particular.
            I'm currently working on a novel called "Chasing Little Red" about boche horsemen chasing a prized hostage for a French general's daughter (she's an expert rider with a photographic memory and a lunatic horse) about the Belgian countryside. Well, I;m a wannabe novelist trying to write it.
            Yes, a few airplanes are in it All are unmarked with both sides shooting at any aircraft in the sky. That last bit's a historical fact.
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            • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 1 year, 2 months ago
              Let me know when your novel comes out on Kindle.
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              • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
                Warning (if I'm successful)! If it was done for books, it would be rated R for violence and salty language. I'm certain European soldiers of 1914 talked very much like the U.S. Marines I was drafted to be with 1969-71.
                In one scene, Babette witnesses the massacre at Dinant from a cliff that overlooks that riverside town. Women and children were also lined up and murdered separate from the men who were all shot and then bayoneted. The historical account itself is shocking. I pull few punches.
                I do try to balance the horror of war and war crimes with humor to give the reader a break.
                I keep in mind what I read about Shakespeare. Provide something for everyone.
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                • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 1 year, 2 months ago
                  Yes, a little comic relief will be needed. I love blood and guts, so I will not be shocked. I am not a sensitive snowflake.
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                  • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
                    My Babette is quite a character. One minute she'll be fervently praying and the next she will be wiggling her butt on her horse to taunt her pursuers.
                    Her photographic or endemic memory has given her some crazy as a fox mental issues.
                    Pick a subject and she feels compelled to rattle on about it forever.
                    She can pick up a foreign language in a snap.
                    Babette does not need to read a book. She scans it and never forgets anything she sees.
                    Her ailment is her super power.
                    She could make a great spy if I ever write sequels.
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                    • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 1 year, 2 months ago
                      But she also needs to be able to cook. With a name like that she should win the lottery and cook a great feast.
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                      • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
                        Oh, Babette can cook big time!
                        Babette's retired French general father has a semi-retired former Parisian gourmet chef for a cook at an inherited chateau in Belgium near Neer.
                        (I have a lot of fun with something being "near Neer," an actual town).
                        The chef's wife in the first chapter speaks highly of Babette as "a little rich girl who did not have to" ~ "become a wonderful help. A perfect student for you."
                        Shown one time two weeks previously, Babette can duplicate putting together a complicated salad garnished with goat cheese she made herself due to their being goats on an estate that breeds racing horses and grows its own horse feed and other crops. Babette has seven brothers with five there presently helping out.
                        During this scene Babette has just baked a goat cheese crepe with spinach and prosciutto (ham from the thigh of a wild boar shot on the property) garnished with a red brandy cream sauce.
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            • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
              I had an aviator friend whoe grandfather was a WW1 pilot. He told me two amusing stories. They tried to mount macine guns over the engines of the planes but they kept shooting up the propellers until they learned how to time them. In WW2, he was too old to be a front line pilot, but he was sent to Belgium in 1940, I guess to help them form an air force. To his surprise, they only had two planes. He asked them to perform a basic flight formation whereupon they took off and flew into one another.
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              • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
                Oops, only at the beginning of that war were airplanes unmarked and somehow I did that combat glitch.
                My late Dad's cousin and best friend flew a P-51, shot down three Italian planes, got nailed by a Messerschmidt and his plane was last seen falling into the Mediterranean.
                My Dad tried to join after Pearl Harbor but the government wanted him to use his engineering skills for converting a company that make swing sets and tricycles into producing parts for Corsair fighters.
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    • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 1 year, 2 months ago
      Good list, but I must confess that I had to look a few of them up. I read a little science fiction but not a lot. Seeing Enio Morricone on your list, makes me want to ask if you like Bix Beiderbecke?
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      • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
        I had to look Bix up. Found out all I needed to do was type Bix to find all that rest of his name I copied down.
        He's okay but I bet I would have liked him a lot better if I lived back into 20s.
        Listening to Bix reminded me how I Youtube looked up and surfed dancers of the Charleston after I Netflix watched The Great Gatsby a year or so ago.
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        • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
          Between Bix and Louis Armstrong, they changed the role of the trumpet in jazz. Bix proved he could do riffs as fast as a clarinet while Louis played high notes that weren't supposed to be able to be played. If you see a movie in which Armstrong is featured look closely at his lips and note the callous impressed right in the center of the upper and lower lip. Think of how many hours of playing it took to create such a result. However, they were mostly New Orleans style jazz as opposed to the big ban era of the 30s and 40s.
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        • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 1 year, 2 months ago
          Even though I didn't live during the 20s, I really like Bix's music. My mom played the piano in a combo during the thirties and early forties before marriage and and my sister and I came along. This was the type of music that was heard in our home.
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          • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
            I recall as a little kid listening to my Dad's big band music on the car radio before rock 'n roll came along.
            Then that kind of music faded away except in old movies and the Lawrence Welk Show.
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            • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 1 year, 2 months ago
              As a kid, I listened to American Bandstand, but I also listened to the Big Bands, and I still do,
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              • Posted by allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
                I saw a lot of American Bandstand.
                I like all kinds of music, but the Big Band sound is pretty much "daddy music" to me.
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                • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 1 year, 2 months ago
                  It takes 500 GB on an external HD to have all the rock'n'roll ever was including the historical tapes. Another 500 GB for Blues, Soul, Rhythm and Blues and the complete Bob Dylan recordings, Lomax recordings, Leadbelly recordings AND folk music. There is just enough room left over for the five or ten decent pieces of music since 2000. So...answer this On What Day .....did the Music Die.

                  Actually I erased a few. Neil Young except for Down By The Rivere and The Doors except for Light My Fire.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 1 year, 2 months ago
    Here's my list (in no particular order):
    1. Jesus Christ
    2. Confucius
    3. Mohatma Gandi
    4. C.S. Lewis
    5. Thomas Payne
    6. George Washington
    7. Plato
    8. Karl Marx
    9. Mohammed
    10. Saul Alinsky

    You did say you wanted debate, didn't you? ;)
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    • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 1 year, 2 months ago
      You might consider both Lenin and Mussolini.. the latter especially. The father of new age fascism in the 30's he invented most of the term s in use today, invented the triumverate of socialist leadership still in use today and terms like statist and corporatist. Got Lenin to admit that one could never teach Marxist economics but only preach it and was along with Lenin huge ini pushing the idea the center is always the center of the left. His most famous namesake Benita Pelosillyni followed in his inventive footsteps with not quite the same accuracy nor success. Based on 7 & 8 possibly 9 his most famous progeny are 10, Lakoff, G. and Soros. G. guy looked liek a puchero clown for ATT/Cingular/United but he was a serious thinker and used a sort of reverse objectivism. How can we get people to do as they are told or remove them from the equation. Thus the Carcano rifle good only short execution range distances was born. This value added method was later adopted by his progency Benita who is iplanning on adding it to the tax code except she can't figure out what the word 'add' means. Math is SOOOOOOOoooooooo hard.
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      • Posted by  $  blarman 1 year, 2 months ago
        Good ideas. I didn't really think of them because I always thought of them less as original philosophers and more as people who used their personal cults of personality (like Hitler and Stalin) to push a particular philosophy. I do agree that Mussolini was more of a thinker than Hitler and shudder to think of the Third Reich and WWII if it their places had been reversed...
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    • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
      More discussion than debate - but debate's ok too. A very creative mix. The first three would be quite a huddle. Overall, a little leftish for my taste, but I'd break out the refreshments.
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      • Posted by  $  blarman 1 year, 2 months ago
        I didn't say I necessarily agreed with them - especially the last three. I looked for those people throughout history who contributed significantly to the field of philosophy - whether or not I agreed with them. It would be up to them to defend their respective ideas. But you can't really have a thorough discussion of something if you only include like minds. All that does is reinforce groupthink.
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  • Posted by  $  AJAshinoff 1 year, 2 months ago
    Benjamin Franklin, Ayn Rand, Mark Twain, Jack London, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Isaac Asimov, Michael Moorcock, Bernard Cornwell, John Wayne. I have a few others but I'm limiting it to 10.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
      John Wayne & Jack London. Hmmmm.
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      • Posted by  $  AJAshinoff 1 year, 2 months ago
        John Wayne, interesting American. Maybe Clint Eastwood. (as no.11)
        Jack London, I respect his do-it before you write it adventuresome nature. (don't care much for his socialism though)
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        • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
          If we follow London's advice, the entire field of science fiction would disappear. But he was a great adventurer. What kept me from a lot of great adventures was the lack of a flush toilet. Took a 7 day trip with my sons down the Colorado River from Lake Powell to Lake Mead, and that was in '75 and we still talk about it -- but that damn port-a-potty......
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    • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 1 year, 2 months ago
      Never jump to conclusions. Michael Moorcock about gave me a heart attack until I realized yu were referring to someone different than I had imagined. Didn't recognize the name so went to Google. A glance down the page came upon a poem about Ged's boat Lookfar and that led to a new world of undiscovered fiction but the key was the name Lookfar. My old boats name under many different owners A 26' sloop twin keel Westerly Centaur that has two claims to fame. Never had an inboard engine and circumnavigated twice maybe three times by now. It was that boat that carried me on many adventures under a Norske translated name. and rekindled my interest in philosophy. For no sailing with sails fan can manage a passage without that science....So a sideways plus and thank you for your suggestion. here's a 4
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      • Posted by  $  AJAshinoff 1 year, 2 months ago
        Michael Moorcock's Universal Champion series is one of the greatest fantasy concepts I've ever read, bar none.

        I imagine a spirit who manifests itself in the guise of a race/planets supreme hero to thwart an civilization ending apocalypse wouldn't exactly be on an objectists bookshelf.Great stuff, would love to chat with him.
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  • Posted by  $  Bethesda-gal 1 year, 2 months ago
    Jesus -to find out if he was really any more the child of God than I am
    2. Jack the Ripper - to find out who he really was
    3. Einstein
    4. Shakespeare - to find out who he really was
    5. My grandfather who died before I was born and I would have liked to have met him
    6. Michaelangelo - to find out if he was really an alien or not
    7. Galileo
    8. Jimmy Buffet - because he seems like THE MOST FUN person EVER
    9. Joan of Arc
    10. Leonardo da Vinci
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  • Posted by  $  sjatkins 1 year, 2 months ago
    Murray Rothbard, one of the broadest political and economic thinkers, agree with him or not;
    Thomas Jefferson - especially would want his take on what the US has become and what to do about it;
    Richard Feynman - master physicist, brilliant, wild mind;
    Henry Ford;
    Albert Einstein;
    Nikola Tesla
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  • Posted by Steven-Wells 1 year, 2 months ago
    There was a TV show hosted by Steve Allen called Meeting of Minds (1977–1981) that addressed this discussion topic. At each episode, Allen had actors portraying various characters of history as realistically as possible, in a round-table discussion. Actual examples: Queen Cleopatra / Theodore Roosevelt / Thomas Aquinas / Thomas Paine on a two-part episode, Emily Dickinson / Attila the Hun / Charles Darwin / Galileo on another, and Florence Nightingale / Plato / Martin Luther / Voltaire on yet another. The shows were always superb.
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  • Posted by rls1951 1 year, 2 months ago
    John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison for the founders. Generals Grant and Lee. Lincoln for the sheer burden of office from the loss of so many. George Washington, a rare man that gave up power willingly. Einstein and Edison for science and invention. And last, George Armstrong Custer just because I'd like to know what really happened that day.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 1 year, 2 months ago
    Aristotle, John Locke, David Hume, David Kelley, Nat Brandon, Thomas Jefferson, Tom Paine, Mark Twain, Milton Friedman, Ludwig Von Mises, General John J Pershing, General George S.Patton, General George Washington
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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 year, 2 months ago
    Nickola Tesla, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Akhenaten, Javerman lV, Issac Newton, Thomas Payne, the leader of the Olmec, the builder of Sacsayhunan. My grandpa Dewey.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
      I love that you included your Grandpa.
      You lost me on Sacsayhunan.
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      • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 year, 2 months ago
        Sorry spelling error Sacsayhuaman Near Cuzco in Peru built by the predecessor's to the Inca's the place has thousands of stones many over 80 tons fit together so tight like they were playdoh when constructed.
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        • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
          Ah, yes. I have similar curiosity about Punta Puma. Not only how they moved stones weighing 50 to 100 tons but how the hell did they make razor sharp cuts and joinings with primitive tools.
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          • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 year, 2 months ago
            Exactly, many questions to the engineers of these megalithic sites using massive stones thousands of years ago. The stone work is as if it was machine cut , complex intricate designs. The quarry used for Puma Punku Was 60 miles away and the site is at 12,800 ft. well above the tree line. Along way to haul, it's like it was easy for them.
            BTW , have you heard of the
            Serapeum of Saqqara ?
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  • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 1 year, 2 months ago
    Anyone thinking about the great composers?
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    • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
      AHA!
      Finally someone talking my language. I'd have a hard time selecting more than a few, but there are two that would be an absolute must, Mozart and Beethoven.Then there's the 19th and twentieth centuries. Which single composer would represent a whole century. Can't be done which is why the 10 person restriction makes for a major scrutiny situation.
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  • Posted by lemonfoundation 1 year, 2 months ago
    1) Me @ Age 5.
    2) Me @ Age 10.
    3) Me @ Age 15.
    4) Me @ Age 20.
    5) Me @ Age 25.
    6) Me @ Age 30.
    7) Me @ Age 35.
    8) Me @ Age 40.
    9) Me @ Age now.^
    10) Me @ 1 day before my death.

    ^In my life experience, I've fully accepted that you can change no one else except yourself. Those 10 people would make one #ell of a talk that I wouldn't want to miss!

    "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." ~Ayn Rand
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 1 year, 2 months ago
    Ayn Rand; Leonard Peikoff; Aristotle; Daddy;Thom-
    as Jefferson;John Locke; William Blackstone;
    Benjamin Franklin; Victor Hugo; Harper Lee;
    William Schwenck (sp?) Gilbert.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
      Harper Lee?
      That's interesting. From an author's secretary to an author herself. I wish she had written a sequel to her one book. Scout was such a great character.
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      • Posted by LibertyBelle 1 year, 2 months ago
        Actually, I think I should have left one of those out
        in order to have room for Yaron Brook. I wanted
        to ask him about why should people trade with Red
        China. (There was a video, but the librarian said
        they had no headphones available any more, and when I went to the Dollar Store, they had
        none to sell but Communist crap).
        As to Harper Lee, there is a point that had long
        interested me. In the movie, which I saw long
        ago on TV, Tom Robinson is reported dead; it is
        reported that he tried to escape after his convic-
        tion, when he was to be taken to prison (where
        he was to be held pending an appeal). My father
        said he bet Tom Robinson didn't either try to es-
        cape, that the guard/guards just murdered him
        and lied about it afterwards. But in the book, the
        reported "escape attempt" occurs some weeks
        after he has been taken to Enfield Prison Farm;
        the report is that he was shot while attempting
        to get over the wall. And I wondered if Harper
        Lee intended this to be true, or just a cover-up
        like my father thought.
        ---There was a sort of a sequel to her book. But
        I read that it was actually written first.One dis-
        crepancy--Jean Louise ("Scout") remembers
        her father having actually gained any acquittal
        in the case of a black accused of rape.
        ----This book is entitled "Go Set a Watchman".
        I didn't particularly like it. It makes Atticus Finch
        look comparitively bigoted. I could well have
        done without it.
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        • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
          I read a review which stated pretty much what you said. As a result I decided not to read it. Too bad .Perhaps it was just a one trick pony that Lee wrote. Sort of like a golfer getting a hole in one..
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  • Posted by  $  Enyway 1 year, 2 months ago
    Issac Newton, Francis Bacon, Albert Einstein, Thomas Jefferson, Ayn Rand, Steven Hawking, John F. Kennedy, Calvin Coolidge, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Franklin, I have many more to add, but these will do.
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  • Posted by  $  Thoritsu 1 year, 2 months ago
    The key to this question is the scope of the discussion of the discussion group!

    I would want to talk about the best way to construct rules and motivations for a productive and fair society with: Aristotle, Gehgis Khan, Karl Marx, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Winston Churchill, Mark Twain and George Carlin. I'd want past successes and recent wisdom. There, I said it. Comments welcome?
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    • Posted by 1 year, 2 months ago
      Most of the list gives you an inkling through their writing. But Gehgis Khan would be fascinating - if he was in a good mood.
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      • Posted by  $  Thoritsu 1 year, 2 months ago
        Have you read about Genghis? Quite the ruler and conqueror. Not quite like one would expect from the colloquialisms. He was the first ruler to support religious freedom. He offered all peoples a chance to become a part of his empire, rather than fighting. If they resisted and he won, he killed the leaders, and left the peoples alone. He was as benign as you could be as a conqueror, and as savage as one could be to his enemies.
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