Newest video from Anonymous ends with Ayn Rand quote. What does it mean?

Posted by BrettRocketSci 9 years, 2 months ago to Video
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I know what the quote means, and I love it! But what does it mean when the global hacker movement Anonymous is quoting Ayn Rand? That's the kind of question I like as a discussion starting point in the Gulch! Here is the 6-minute video. I don't want to give you the spoiler of the quote until you've watched the video. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaemI...


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thee are no childen or dying of malnutrition in the USA. How do I know that? We're still shipping food by the millions of tons out of the country to other countries. If we had children starving that wouldn't be happening. If we had children starving the food bank distribution program leaders having so much to distribute and the childrens services gestapo and other socialist misfits would be culpable for not doing their job. the same applies to food kitchen for the homeless and the food provided to public schools. Etc etc etc. Since that does not seem to be the case there can be no children starving. I reject the statement for the reasons stated. If there were children starving in foreign countries and our food shipments were still going there that's culpability on the government...ours. I'm sure no onewould then be voting for food thieves and railing for the miscreants to be put on trial as child killers.
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He quoted all kinds of so-called problems, but he never owned up to doing anything to solve a single one. For example, if a million pounds of food are being wasted daily, AND 30,000 kids are dying of malnutrition daily, why hasn't he connected the dots and divert that wasted food to feed those dying kids?!? It was nothing but a tantrum pretending to be morally superior to the rest of us.
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Using the Ayn Rand quote at the end reminds me of an article I read where the liberal talking points were all followed by quotes from the Bible to make it look as if liberals were morally superior. It was contrived and ridiculous. Goes to show that liberals can skewer just about anything.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nothing that says any belief or any political, religious or business system can't use objectivism just as they can use fascism. Good point and something t watch out for we see that with the professional money looters and pretenders. As a guide for anyone such as econazi's or progressive suckularists it's worth a lot more than their plato make a wish have a dream crap. Lakoff himself uses it extensively to fashion his handbook for the rich and stupid. Sure they are perverting the intent no doubt. they didn't get where they are being entirely stupid not the thinkers at the top of socialist fascism. nor Islamic Jihadists, nor the 700 club nor Microsoft who openly says get on the market now and fix it later. and never has to answer to that fraud.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your correct, they are not an autonomous group, each has a different perspective. They don't realize that government is at the heart of it all and yes we have some big problems, if it wasn't for the government of incompetence and lack of moral values, (Ethics) we could solve these problems.
    As for the quote, How ever they frame their argument, misguided or not. Yea, I wouldn't be worried about the forests or sucking out oil from the earth; for a moment I thought I was in the presence of gaia or something, but I would like to see more recycling, hell, with some innovation it could be profitable...oh, I forgot, they don't like profit. Their whole motif comes from some evil anyway...long forgotten the story. But the fact is the general population is blind, unaware that they have been manipulated by the kakistocracy.. So ignoring the problems won't alleviate the consequences of those problems. Have we reached critical mass? max entropy?..no...but it will get more difficult the longer we ignore reality. We start that process by unrevising history and learning how to critically thing...grow a work ethic, stop crying. The threat is within government, fix that and all the other stuff the free market could fix. vote with your head on, vote with your feet and your dollar.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
    their message is anti-capitalist, but the Rand quote
    is true, regardless. . maybe they're trying to hurt her
    reputation by using her own quotation as ammo. -- j
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 2 months ago
    I see someone who attributes most of the woes of humankind to corporate success quoting Ayn Rand as a finale.

    Note the '80% of our original forests gone' item. From Matt Ridley's site (January 2013): "The latest and most detailed satellite data, which is yet to be published but was summarized in an online lecture last July by Ranga Myneni of Boston University, confirms that the greening of the Earth has now been going on for 30 years. Between 1982 and 2011, 20.5% of the world's vegetated area got greener, while just 3% grew browner; the rest showed no change." This tendency is now being challenged by the return to biomass burning due to the environmentally-induced transition to expensive green energy, but it is still true that we have more forests not fewer.

    M.Williams Journal of Historical Geography,
    26, 1 (2000) 28–46

    "...[It] has been demonstrated during the last century and a half in the developed world where the intensification of agriculture on the most productive land has led to the abandonment of marginal land and its recolonization by trees. In the USA, for example, abandonment began in the diffcult-to-farm New England highlands from 1840 onwards, and then spread south throughout the eastern seaboard states, and was particularly noticeable in the South after the 1920s.
    Between 1910 and 1979 a net 60·7 million acres (24·5 million ha) were added to the
    forest,..."

    Of course, the statement made in the Anonymous video is technically correct, because the forests that are greening the Earth are not the 'original' forests - few of those are left. I found the video emotionally stirring, but jarringly inaccurate. I would like to see a video that well produced which had a message I agreed with and which merited an Ayn Rand quote at the end.

    Jan
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
    OK
    I forced myself to sit through that crap, without puking. It was so full of deviousness and outright lies that it was hard to stick with. The A.R. quote was totally out of context and could in no way be meant for the meaning it was squeezed into at the end of that very well produced bucket of glop. The silly bastards will probably blame the coming economic downturn on global warming.
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  • Posted by dwlievert 9 years, 2 months ago
    I see someone selectively attempting to feature the distorted reality their values precipitates arising from a failure to check their premises. It necessarily and in many cases WILLFULLY, blinds them to the context within which actual reality manifests.

    Brother, they asked for it!
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Even econazis can quote Ayn Rand if they so desire.
    That video opines that we should leave oil in the ground so Gaia won't freaking bleed to death.
    Give me a break!
    "Today Europe! Tomorrow the world!"
    I just quoted Adolf Hitler as if to validate my reply.
    Why? Because I so desired to tack that on.
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  • Posted by Boldstandard 9 years, 2 months ago
    It means that people without a consistent philosophical approach, who don't work hard to weed out all the contradictions in their premises, are doomed to be duped by every shallow, emotionalist conspiracy theory and piece of propaganda they are exposed to.

    If their approach to computer science were as ignorant and superficial as their views on global politics, I'd be surprised if they could save a document in MS Word, much less hack anybody's computer.
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  • Posted by cjferraris 9 years, 2 months ago
    Anonymous is assuming that the average Joe is pulling the strings, however, it's the government trying to shape behavior that is causing the problems we have. The government interferes with everything and needs to get out of the way, just ask John Galt.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 9 years, 2 months ago
    Rand's quotes are often misused. The people behind this video simply have a very distorted view of the world and its causes and effects. They paint reality as something it is not, and then conveniently use the quote to make the broader point.
    It's no different than conservatives quoting Rand despite having significant conflicts with her philosophy.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 2 months ago
    I commented on someone who seemed upset about tax breaks for the 3 comma crowd earlier (hell, I want to be one of them), but now Anonymous is quoting Ayn Rand? It HAS happened, the world has turned upside down.

    Next thing you know the uber rich and famous will become liberals and socialists... wait a minute... never mind...
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I see the highest standard of living in history"
    I agree completely. When I hear people say modern civilization is on the verge of collapse, it sounds absurd to me. If there were something that destroyed modern civilization and what came next were closer to the norms for human history, it would be much less free and less prosperous.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    " it is apparent that we have a horrible amount of injustice and wasted human potential in the world today."
    This is true, but things are better than in most of human history. The level of justice and liberty we have today is not normal. These are amazingly good times. We can admit that and still be committed to improving things.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 2 months ago
    I see the highest standard of living in history, feeding a larger population than we thought possible with higher success than ever. I see education levels rising and violence decreasing.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well I do see many false premises in there. Can you say lies without doing the fact checking yourself? Honestly I haven't tried, but I think it is apparent that we have a horrible amount of injustice and wasted human potential in the world today.
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