Newest video from Anonymous ends with Ayn Rand quote. What does it mean?

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I know what the quote means, and I love it! But what does it mean when the global hacker movement Anonymous is quoting Ayn Rand? That's the kind of question I like as a discussion starting point in the Gulch! Here is the 6-minute video. I don't want to give you the spoiler of the quote until you've watched the video. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaemI...


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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
    OK
    I forced myself to sit through that crap, without puking. It was so full of deviousness and outright lies that it was hard to stick with. The A.R. quote was totally out of context and could in no way be meant for the meaning it was squeezed into at the end of that very well produced bucket of glop. The silly bastards will probably blame the coming economic downturn on global warming.
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 2 months ago
      Using the Ayn Rand quote at the end reminds me of an article I read where the liberal talking points were all followed by quotes from the Bible to make it look as if liberals were morally superior. It was contrived and ridiculous. Goes to show that liberals can skewer just about anything.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 2 months ago
    I see someone who attributes most of the woes of humankind to corporate success quoting Ayn Rand as a finale.

    Note the '80% of our original forests gone' item. From Matt Ridley's site (January 2013): "The latest and most detailed satellite data, which is yet to be published but was summarized in an online lecture last July by Ranga Myneni of Boston University, confirms that the greening of the Earth has now been going on for 30 years. Between 1982 and 2011, 20.5% of the world's vegetated area got greener, while just 3% grew browner; the rest showed no change." This tendency is now being challenged by the return to biomass burning due to the environmentally-induced transition to expensive green energy, but it is still true that we have more forests not fewer.

    M.Williams Journal of Historical Geography,
    26, 1 (2000) 28–46

    "...[It] has been demonstrated during the last century and a half in the developed world where the intensification of agriculture on the most productive land has led to the abandonment of marginal land and its recolonization by trees. In the USA, for example, abandonment began in the diffcult-to-farm New England highlands from 1840 onwards, and then spread south throughout the eastern seaboard states, and was particularly noticeable in the South after the 1920s.
    Between 1910 and 1979 a net 60·7 million acres (24·5 million ha) were added to the
    forest,..."

    Of course, the statement made in the Anonymous video is technically correct, because the forests that are greening the Earth are not the 'original' forests - few of those are left. I found the video emotionally stirring, but jarringly inaccurate. I would like to see a video that well produced which had a message I agreed with and which merited an Ayn Rand quote at the end.

    Jan
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    • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
      the forest info wasn't the only inaccurate data. . the
      assertion that oil is earth's "lifeblood" is silly; water is.
      and 50 percent of u.s. tax dollars are not spent
      on military stuff -- it's more like 16 percent. . and our
      "exploitation of natural resources" is the capitalistic
      system which Rand praised -- make the earth serve us,
      not the other way around. . and our water supplies
      are expanding, with more people accessing clean
      water today than ever. . and the "poison food" statement
      must be aimed at GMOs, which have made many
      millions better off. . their message is a mess, IMHO. -- j
      .
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 2 months ago
    I see the highest standard of living in history, feeding a larger population than we thought possible with higher success than ever. I see education levels rising and violence decreasing.
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    • Posted by sfdi1947 8 years, 2 months ago
      That highest standard affects roughly 4 percent of the world's population. Of that 1 percent are wealthy and 1 percent are keeping up with the Joneses' the remaining 2 percent live paycheck to paycheck and the other 96 percent get by on 5 dollars a day or less.
      Travel somewhere, but go someplace real, not someplace safe. Modern Mexico City is a cosmopolitan city with a ten mile safe zone and it is surrounded by thirty miles of tin and scrap lumber one and two room shacks with no running, potable water, and no electricity. They could fix this with 1 b of El Chapo's money or 1 year of US Foreign Aid, using it the way it was intended not as political bribes.
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 2 months ago
        No, by highest standard I mean that we have the smallest percentage of the world population actually dying of hunger. That health and lifespans are increasing around the world.

        You're right, relatively few of the worlds people have new cars, cell phones and flat screen TV's. But a bigger percentage of them have something to eat than has been true in history.

        There is room for improvement, but we won't improve by saying "this isn't working, we have to do something else" when what we are doing IS working.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
      "I see the highest standard of living in history"
      I agree completely. When I hear people say modern civilization is on the verge of collapse, it sounds absurd to me. If there were something that destroyed modern civilization and what came next were closer to the norms for human history, it would be much less free and less prosperous.
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  • Posted by Boldstandard 8 years, 2 months ago
    It means that people without a consistent philosophical approach, who don't work hard to weed out all the contradictions in their premises, are doomed to be duped by every shallow, emotionalist conspiracy theory and piece of propaganda they are exposed to.

    If their approach to computer science were as ignorant and superficial as their views on global politics, I'd be surprised if they could save a document in MS Word, much less hack anybody's computer.
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  • Posted by cjferraris 8 years, 2 months ago
    Anonymous is assuming that the average Joe is pulling the strings, however, it's the government trying to shape behavior that is causing the problems we have. The government interferes with everything and needs to get out of the way, just ask John Galt.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 2 months ago
    Rand's quotes are often misused. The people behind this video simply have a very distorted view of the world and its causes and effects. They paint reality as something it is not, and then conveniently use the quote to make the broader point.
    It's no different than conservatives quoting Rand despite having significant conflicts with her philosophy.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 2 months ago
      Even econazis can quote Ayn Rand if they so desire.
      That video opines that we should leave oil in the ground so Gaia won't freaking bleed to death.
      Give me a break!
      "Today Europe! Tomorrow the world!"
      I just quoted Adolf Hitler as if to validate my reply.
      Why? Because I so desired to tack that on.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
        Nothing that says any belief or any political, religious or business system can't use objectivism just as they can use fascism. Good point and something t watch out for we see that with the professional money looters and pretenders. As a guide for anyone such as econazi's or progressive suckularists it's worth a lot more than their plato make a wish have a dream crap. Lakoff himself uses it extensively to fashion his handbook for the rich and stupid. Sure they are perverting the intent no doubt. they didn't get where they are being entirely stupid not the thinkers at the top of socialist fascism. nor Islamic Jihadists, nor the 700 club nor Microsoft who openly says get on the market now and fix it later. and never has to answer to that fraud.
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    • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 2 months ago
      He quoted all kinds of so-called problems, but he never owned up to doing anything to solve a single one. For example, if a million pounds of food are being wasted daily, AND 30,000 kids are dying of malnutrition daily, why hasn't he connected the dots and divert that wasted food to feed those dying kids?!? It was nothing but a tantrum pretending to be morally superior to the rest of us.
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      • Posted by Boldstandard 8 years, 2 months ago
        Oh no, that actually was his point. The creater of the video absolutely expected the viewer to see the million pounds of food being thrown away, and the 30,000 kids dying of starvation, and conclude, "Well why don't we just give the unwanted food to the kids and save them?"

        The problem is, it's not that simple. That plan would not work. Because what the video neglects to ask is why the million lbs of food is thrown away, and why the kids are dying of starvation.

        If even one of these issues is even remotely understood, it becomes painfully evident why the kids aren't being fed with the wasted food.

        And yes, there are starving kids, even in America. It is much less common here, which is only one reason people often prioritize the starving children in other countries higher when deciding which charities to support.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
          because he included all the garbage left over after the plates were scraped.

          and I still don't believe that starving kids crap and won't until I see indictments against the so called social workers, the food bank operators, and the ass holes who are shipping needed food to other countries nor questions being seriously asked as to why they are intentionally starving kids in this country?

          Anyone guilty on those charges should skip jail and go straight to a wall for a firing squad to cure their problem.

          That includes the government who is shipping the needed food elsewhere and by the way it does not go to starving people when unloaded and can most often be seen in the local markets for sale if not reloaded and sold elsewhere.

          I worked those ships and i've seen the results and it's far too common a sight. So I guess if you count the overseas food giveaway program the millions of pounds claim might make sense. it's thrown away to make some people rich beyond belief and support thugs and criminals and i don't want to hear that war lord crap either.

          Does the public in the US give a s--t. Obviously not it's f'n common knowledge and has been for decades.
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          • Posted by Boldstandard 8 years, 2 months ago
            It's not only garbage off of people's half eaten plates. Most food goods are time and temperature sensitive. Cold ready to eat foods are only good for 4 hours after they are unrefrigerated. Same with hot food after it's removed from its heat source. Most produce has at best a couple of weeks before it spoils, even if kept at proper temperatures.

            These kinds of foods have to be discarded immediately once they have been out of temp, or once they begin to spoil, because they are not food anymore but rather poison.

            However, there are other reasons food gets thrown away. Did you know that in the Great Depression, Franklin Roosevelt ordered fresh produce t be incinerated, while people actually were starving? This was because of an ingnorant and fallacious scheme devised by his so called economists. They reasoned that the farmers weren't making enough money to stay in business because the price of their produce was too low, so they burned it in order to cause a shortage and artificially raise the price. They reasoned that the farmers would use the extra profits to plant more crops and make more food for everyone. It was a disasterous failure, and made things worse.

            Why do children starve, when there is so much generosity everywhere? Because the principle, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," does not work. Human beings need to eat regularly. You can't merely give a homeless man a sandwich one time and think you've fixed his problem. In four hours he will need to eat again. In major cities, there are usually charities that try and supply food to the poorest people. But there are those who slip through the cracks, who don't know how to access the charities, and there are millions of people who don't live in cities. Even then, there are usually churches and generous people who will try and prevent someone from starving to death in front of them. But usually simply doesn't cover every case, and never could.

            Some people starve their children from neglect. Some people starve because of drug addictions. Some starve because of physical illness, others because of mental illness.

            But the majority of people on earth who are starving are in their situation for one simple reason only-- their governments prevent the means of production from advancing to the stage capable of supporting their population. What those people need is not gifts of charity, which will feed them for 1/3 of a day. They need capitalism, which will allow them not only to eat, but to flourish. Not only to live, but to make a living. That is something that can not be given to them, but must be taught, and possibly claimed by revolutionary means in some cases.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
              it's called a counter revolution in this case. glad to see i lit a fire somewhere. the only legal counter revolution is the mlitary upholding it's oath of office. the rest is .....problematical.but it all starts with no enabling the criminal class in DC. Does Cruz have the balls. From the way he treated the women getting drafted i would say not.. just another f'n RINO after all. danced all around getting rid of the draft.

              Be nice to have choices but if not cut them off at the ankles with recalls and initiatives... while they are still available..
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
        Thee are no childen or dying of malnutrition in the USA. How do I know that? We're still shipping food by the millions of tons out of the country to other countries. If we had children starving that wouldn't be happening. If we had children starving the food bank distribution program leaders having so much to distribute and the childrens services gestapo and other socialist misfits would be culpable for not doing their job. the same applies to food kitchen for the homeless and the food provided to public schools. Etc etc etc. Since that does not seem to be the case there can be no children starving. I reject the statement for the reasons stated. If there were children starving in foreign countries and our food shipments were still going there that's culpability on the government...ours. I'm sure no onewould then be voting for food thieves and railing for the miscreants to be put on trial as child killers.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 2 months ago
    Interesting. I like the quote in connection with those who ignore what Central Bankers, Socialists, perpetual war mongers and the U.N. are doing. Anonymous is a strange group. Not sure what solution they offer if any.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 2 months ago
      Thanks for your reaction Rich. There's a strong bias in the video for environmentalism and anti-business. They aren't really a single unified organization either...as for solutions, I don't see any either. They are more like a vigilante justice group in my perspective. Which makes me wonder if they see themselves as a modern day Ragnar...
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 2 months ago
        Your correct, they are not an autonomous group, each has a different perspective. They don't realize that government is at the heart of it all and yes we have some big problems, if it wasn't for the government of incompetence and lack of moral values, (Ethics) we could solve these problems.
        As for the quote, How ever they frame their argument, misguided or not. Yea, I wouldn't be worried about the forests or sucking out oil from the earth; for a moment I thought I was in the presence of gaia or something, but I would like to see more recycling, hell, with some innovation it could be profitable...oh, I forgot, they don't like profit. Their whole motif comes from some evil anyway...long forgotten the story. But the fact is the general population is blind, unaware that they have been manipulated by the kakistocracy.. So ignoring the problems won't alleviate the consequences of those problems. Have we reached critical mass? max entropy?..no...but it will get more difficult the longer we ignore reality. We start that process by unrevising history and learning how to critically thing...grow a work ethic, stop crying. The threat is within government, fix that and all the other stuff the free market could fix. vote with your head on, vote with your feet and your dollar.
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  • Posted by editormichael 8 years, 2 months ago
    I see a lot of juvenile hyperbole, created by the very technology "Anonymous" decries.
    It was very ironic to quote Ayn Rand about ignoring reality while at the same time ignoring reality.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
    Finally after days of trying..."You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality."

    Nor,may I added the consequences of manufacturing a reality ....that isn't" Such as watching television.
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  • Posted by dwlievert 8 years, 2 months ago
    I see someone selectively attempting to feature the distorted reality their values precipitates arising from a failure to check their premises. It necessarily and in many cases WILLFULLY, blinds them to the context within which actual reality manifests.

    Brother, they asked for it!
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  • Posted by Lucky 8 years, 2 months ago
    Thanks Jan (jlc) and johnpe1 for the comments on forests.
    A little elaboration- it is possible that maximum coverage of the earth by forests was around 1700 to 1800. Major timber cutting took place at the start of the industrial revolution for many purposes such as ships, building and especially iron smelting. Then, people found out how to use coal and then big deposits of coal were found. Coal was the savior of forests as well as the source of energy that enables our very much higher standard of living. Now, forests are actually increasing in extent partly as higher atmospheric CO2 levels, released by oceans, increases plant growth, and as commercial forestry grows, this being private capital not government intervention.
    The good news is that there are massive amounts of coal still available. More good news is that burning coal produces CO2 (tho' a small amount compared to that from natural sources), more CO2 is beneficial to all earth life forms. The bad news is the power of the green movement, a socialistic puritanical mental derangement, sometimes mistakenly called environmentalism, which demonizes coal. Without coal, the standard of living even of 1700 could not be maintained for the current population level. That could be why they support a currently expanding death cult. More bad news- this kind of nonsense always exists but this one has become so widespread due to the masses of government money spent on publicity.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      Yet Oregon is closing down Boardman coal burning electrical production center after bringing in bituminous coal from the eastern US because the nearer by anthracite coal is locked up in large part due to a then VP Gore who just happened to have traded his tobacco interests for .....eastern coal investments. Very phony bunch of people
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 8 years, 2 months ago
    Effective condemnation of the modern consumer based economy and lifestyle, and particularly of those individuals, companies, and corporations that take because they can, that cheat because they can, and that are intentionally ignore needs that they could address, but chose not to, because there is nothing in it for them,.
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