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Democrats secret and not secret agents...

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago to News
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I've been depicting Fiorini as the perfect Democrat secret sleeper agent. That Is still more true than not. But it's only my opinion - well - not only. Now we find the second agent depicted by Mona Charon's column on Dec 9th. That's today!!!

She lays out her case in no nonsense straight forward terms. Question inow is how many of his approval number came from the left to begin with. Who? Trump the life long Democrat turned RINO. Who else as an opponent would bandaid the left back together?


http://townhall.com Mona Charon

The dictionary defines "bogeyman" as "an imaginary evil spirit, referred to typically to frighten children." Hello, Donald Trump. It's not clear whether he set out intentionally to elect Hillary Clinton, but there is little question that he could not be fulfilling the role of Republican bogeyman to greater effect.

As Commentary's Jonathan Tobin noted, during a week in which the disastrous fecklessness of President Obama and his party in the face of terrorism ought to have been Topic A, we are all talking about Trump instead. Brilliant. Tobin's point actually applies to the entire presidential contest. By rights, it should be about the Democrats' unraveling. From Obamacare to terrorism, from the economy to climate change, and from guns to free speech, progressive policies have proven deeply disappointing when not downright obtuse and dangerous. Clinton promises more of the same while trailing an oil slick of corruption in her wake. And yet swinging into the frame, week in and week out, the orange-maned billionaire bogeyman dominates the discussion.

Hell yes, Republicans are anti-Hispanic bigots, Trump (a lifelong Democrat) is supposed to confirm. Just look at the way he talked about Mexican "rapists" and vowed to build a wall that Mexico will fund.

Hell yes, Republicans want to fight a war on women. Did you hear what Trump said about Megyn Kelly and Carly Fiorina?

Hell yes, Republicans are anti-immigrant, anti-handicapped, anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim. Line 'em up and Trump will offend. Not cleverly, mind you, but crudely. Donald Trump is fond of saying that our political leaders are stupid, constantly outmaneuvered at the bargaining table by shrewder Chinese, Mexicans, and Japanese. No one can accuse him of stupidity: provided his goal is to elect Hillary Clinton.

This week, while we were still burying our dead from San Bernardino, every Republican -- rather than explaining why President Obama's refusal to fight the war on terror has led to this moment -- instead had to condemn Donald Trump's mindless proposal to keep every single Muslim out of the United States until further notice. Again, he's the perfect bogeyman.

It's not just that what he says demands condemnation. It's that it seems to give credence to the Democrats' narrative.

Personally when I listen to or read about Trump I'm reminded of the climb to power int he 20's and 30's of the last century by an ex German Army Corporal who also had a hair problem..on his lip.


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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since the Republicans and Democrats are one and the same it's small wonder. Next hurdle is the winner take all system and the iron fisted jack booted control of candidates on the ballot AND the stealing of votes for them. In your state that's your job.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not a Libertarian. The logical course of action is to switch to a brand that has retained an acceptable level of quality and let the unacceptable vendor earn their way back into the market.

    That assumes there is a vendor with an acceptable level of quality. In absence of which do without. I do not like Pepsi.. I like CocaCola. But when they dumped the original formula I dumped them. That left Royal Crown Cola or WalMart store brand. RC wasn't distributed where i lived so that left Walmart. Until I moved where WM wasn't sold that was my choice. Had none of it been available then Bubble Up or Upper 10 would have been next on my list.

    That's the free market world.

    As for political parties one does not improve them by voting for Pepsi. Actually Slice was the best ever made.....Pepsi killed them two strikes your out.

    The logical course of action if the established brand becomes lame garbage and the possible replacements are lame garbage is don't vote for lame garbage.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why not Cruz supports a Pelosi style VAT Tax. Good little Rino that he is and all of them being republicans are for Government Control of Citizens. The Libertarian nominee or any of the others is a winner take all vote so whoever wins gets all their votes no matter how much you detest the SOB/DOB. Great plan ...you get to support the left and claim you didn't. Ever thought of going into politics?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Objectivisim is a tool to measure reality and usefulness in reality. It's a way of measuring the value of something or someone. It is not a religion or the secular version thereof. Applying or not applying the knowledge produced is your choice.

    If you insist on measuring with the yardsticks and definitions of the left your premises and therefore your conclusions will always be contradictions. If you don't like mine do as I did and come up with your own and apply it...see if it works...

    If you wish to vote for dirt you will soon lose the chance to ever vote again. I'm not so sure that point hasn't been reached but I am sure you are for sure going to deserve what you asked for.

    In the light of day words have meanings and words without action are meaningless.

    Never vote again? I vote every day through the ballot box provided by this forum. And my None of the above will carry more weight no matter who sits in that oval office.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump could be Hillary's worst nightmare. At the moment he is trashing his Republican opponents, but what happens if he gets the nomination and can concentrate all his firepower on Ms. Clinton? Until recently she was laughing every time his name was brought up, but recent news stories suggest she is beginning to take him seriously. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/us/...
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re: "If she was alive, Rand would be writing scathing editorials in the Objectivist against all these pretender puppets." A better case could be made that she would be reluctantly supporting one or more of the least objectionable Republican candidates. She did so with Nixon in 1972, a year after he instituted wage and price controls.

    Cruz, Rubio and Paul have all cited Ayn Rand as an important influence on their economic thinking. I think she would likely support any one of them over Hillary or Bernie.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The rise of Trump would not have been possible if the Republican Party had not sold out to the Democrats on every issue and principle except the odious “social conservative” ones.

    Republicans have controlled the House of Representatives and thus the purse strings since early 2011. Why is Obamacare still around and well-funded?

    In Nevada, where I live, two of the last three Republican governors (to the delight of Democrats) have created the largest tax increases in the state’s history. Most of the money thus raised is destined to disappear into the sewer pits of “public education”.

    I have voted Libertarian in every presidential election since 1972, and I see no reason to do otherwise in 2016 whether Trump is the Republican nominee or not.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Michael, I utterly reject the whole Libertarian argument that Republicans are as bad as Democrats and that therefore neither is worthy of support.

    There is only one logical consequence to that policy: support for some minor party (like the Libertarians,) which uniformly garners election returns in the single digit percentile, but frequently siphons enough votes away from (sometimes) worthy Republicans to hand elections goose-stepping Democrats. I will not go down that road, and submit that to do so is to actively abet the destruction of liberty.

    If a large, established brand starts producing items of diminishing quality, the logical course of action is to improve the quality of those items, not throw one's support behind a lame garage start-up with a proven track record of failure and its own rash of quality problems. The analogy is not perfect - it is far easier to improve a product in the marketplace than it is to alter the intellectual composition of a political party - but I trust it's clear enough.

    I do not and will not support Libertarianism, or any other minor party.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CG, this is my unwillingness to believe in conspiracies without ample proof, at war with my unwillingness to believe that the non-Democrat voters are... stupid enough to latch onto any principles-devoid juggernaut who knows how to "talk tough" and hit all the right populist buttons. I would much rather believe the former; unfortunately the facts argue for the latter.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If Trump gets the nomination, I'm voting for the Libertarian Party nominee. But I'd consider Cruz, and maybe even Carson.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely. But I don't think your stance applies to everyone within the repub. party. As parties, they are...what's worse than evil...ultra evil? I am aware of some of the horrendous hidden acts that make one cringe and I'm sure that there are wheels within wheels that I'm not aware of. But there are a few misguided but not evil persons who arise from that stinking morass and can certainly be improved over the current occupiers of power that you have so apltly described.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I must disagree that al the candidates are leftists. Several of them who are not don't stand a chance of getting the nomination. The most leftist, and scariest is Trump who is leading. Two whom I consider to be non-left but flawed are Rubio and Cruz. If you are looking for a lily-white Objectivist type candidate, you'll never vote again. That's your choice, but it isn't mine.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's exactly what I'm doing. But you realize don't you all the candidates Republican or Democrat are left wing as I've continuously pointed out since March or somewhere back there.They all have one thing is common which is Government as the source of power Over People. All the left did was move center point from the Constitution to the center of the left and spent the next hundred years retraining and redefining and dumbing down the public. Simply by putting the center back where it belongs and saying the source of power is the Citizen one arrives at a workable definition of reality. Citizens Over Government and Government as temporary servants. That explains instantly why Republicans quit being republicans and became the right wing of the left and cave to them constantly. This new pork bill Obama just signed was formulated under Boehners replacement for example. In any case there are zero candidates who are not leftist which means a choice of corporatist socialst, statist socialist, a mix of the two on out past secular progressives and Comrade Bernie to National and International Socialism. All have that one thing in common. Government Controls People.

    What part of that loaf is not rotten?

    However since no other candidates are going to be allowed on the ballot it leaves you with choices. Vote left or vote left or a write in which under the winner take all rules accrues to the left or join the 35 to 50% who refuse to play the game. In effect not voting IS a vote of no confidence or a None of the Above vote.

    Absent using some to destroy the others and I used the Carly/Bobby ticket as an example I have no choice but to not play the game.

    Chane the thinking of an elected official when they are all rock solid Government Control People fanatics? Sure just like we've been doing for over half a century. Seen any change in thinking? Do they think? You know of course that socialism doesn't allow that. ...

    So why are you supporting the left? Other than following the leftist mantra.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are incorrect regarding the President's authority to restrict immigration. Presidents from Theodore Roosevelt through the Carter era have restricted entry from other countries for a variety of reasons. Asian entry was restricted from the turn of the last century to the 1930s due to concerns about the opium trade; Italian entry was restricted during WW I as an enemy, and during the 1920s out of Mafia concerns; Middle Eastern Christians are specifically denied entry today because they're not being oppressed, tortured, and executed by a state, but by ISIS, while Muslims are being allowed in because they're being persecuted by Syria.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ...in the same way a professional pick pocket can engage you in a conversation complaining about the police not doing a better job at preventing crime, then walk away with your valuables.

    Trump isn't going to "make America great" with his Pragmatist rationales and juvenile persona. It is clear that individual rights are "negotiable" in his mind. His supporters are blind to this and do not tolerate these ideas in other candidates.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm an independent who sides with the Republicans against the Progressives the Democrats have become. Do I wish there were a viable third-party candidate? Yes (I voted for Ross Perot). Two-party politics have caused exactly the problems George Washington predicted. I would love for there to be a half-dozen parties or more including a Tea Party (for Ted Cruz), a Socialist Party (for Bernie Sanders), an Islamic State Party (for Keith Ellison), a Libertarian Party (for Rand Paul), and a Progressive Party (for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton).

    Until such a time, however, I'm going to see the political arena for what it is and vote accordingly. I'm not going to vote for spoilers because as I demonstrated with Huckabee, that's what allows the extremist Progressives to win. I don't buy the line that there can be paradigm shifts in politics where the populace suddenly all realize they've been duped and will see the error of their ways in one turning point in history. I believe that people must be educated bit-by-bit. They must be persuaded to act in their own logical interest rather than getting distracted by hucksters shilling free toys in exchange for control over their lives (SQUIRREL).

    The Constitution is the standard, but getting back to it isn't going to happen in a day.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. The history of making promises to defend individual liberty and free markets, and doing exactly the opposite conclusively proves the GOP is evil. imo, socialism is evil by definition and that the Dems are evil by their socialist policies.
    By their actions, the intent of both is to gain power for themselves by lying and stealing from the people. Evil, without doubt.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course principles matter and ethics matter. It's a fight I've been engaged in for 60 years. What we must be careful about, without getting too semantically entangled, is the difference between being evil and just being wrong. It leads to the question, is a person who is wrong always evil? Or if that person is wrong on certain topics, but right on the majority of topics, can we call him misguided rather than evil? Much has to do with intent. Intent can be understood by checking the past actions of a person and blatantly evil acts such as performed by Obama. Sometimes, ancient sayings, are a gem of truth, such as "Throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

    My use of Monroe was not to equate her with a politician, but to illustrate that Rand could be surprising and one shouldn't be too sure about what she might say or do.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Marilyn Monroe was not running for office, so Rand's comments were not considering a person who was asking to be trusted as president of the country.
    I can't be more definitive than:
    Don't Vote For Evil.
    The major parties are really just the Devil and Lucifer. Two names for the same thing. They have both been consistent at lying and looting.
    I didn't say abstain. I said don't vote for evil.
    We give them the power. They can't get it without our consent (yet.) Don't consent. Don't agree to play the rigged game. If that means abstain, then abstain. If that means vote for a non-statist candidate, then do that. Either of those decisions retain your integrity and maintain your principles of rational philosophy and ethics. Voting for evil, either evil, does not.
    Principles matter. Ethics matter. Don't consent to evil.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You talkin' to me?
    Siding with the Left? You cannot be serious. My point was that if you are so Objectivistly orthodox that you dislike all the candidates, you'll have to abstain from voting and leave the decision to primarily low information voters. I'm of the 1/2 a loaf is better than none. If half the loaf is rotten and you have no other choice, then cut away the rotten part. You can work to change the thinking of elected officials, but you cannot change the thinking of a non existent person.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So you are a Republican trying to decide which one of your right wing of the left party to support. In a nutshell. Simple equation. To the extent allowed Republicans are on the side of Government Over People.

    I didn't say Fiorini was - I said could be....if she's not a socialist statist corporatist she's a socialist corporatist statist and besides she is a self confessed Democrat. Hardly puts her in any other category than an acceptable RINO and as such like the others she is part of the Government party....controlled by whom? Not the the lapdogs approved for 'also ran' status. her only value to the left is a counter to Hillary which helps Wasserman retain control of the DNC. Her only value to the Republicans is to be the token woman on the approved list of candidate wannabes.

    they all by being Republicans or Democrats are in the 'government over people' side. nice for the socialists they have their own private slate and get to choose to acceptable candidates.

    What's that got to do with the Constitution or the Citizens?

    Nothing.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 7 months ago
    I don't believe for a minute that Fiorina is a Democratic shill. That I worked at HP during her tenure and saw the disaster she wrought on that company as she pursued her goals of collecting a war chest which would enable her to challenge Barbara Boxer for a California Senate Seat is an aside: I've listened to the woman enough to know she's no Progressive. She's a terrible business-person, but hardly a progressive posing as a Republican. I don't really think she's relevant in this race anyway. I think she drops out after New Hampshire when she can't get above 3% in either NH or Iowa.

    Trump, however, is a far more likely sleeper-Dem candidate. He waves off his donations to Democrats in the past as "business necessity" and he talks a provocative game, but I won't vote for him. He may rail on about border security and immigration (both of which his base stance - minus the bluster - I can get behind to a degree) and he talks tough about the Second Amendment, but I don't trust him to deal with the rampant cronyism in Government. His stance on Eminent Domain is enough to cause me to back away.

    Jeb Bush and Chris Christie are just RINO's after the mold of most recent Republicans: Boehner, McConnell, Bush I and Bush II, and more. I can't wait til they drop out. I'd lump in Kasich here too.

    I like Bobby Jindal. He led his state (Louisiana) through the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. He's been working to make his state more business-friendly while holding down government expenditures. I just think that he's going to have to wait a few more years to get name recognition.

    I think the voters were initially enamored with Ben Carson because he was a non-Establishment player and he was black, but I think several of his recent media gaffes have hurt his stock and the polls are showing it. I think he'd make a great Surgeon General or Secretary of Health and Human Services (because I think he'd put himself out of a job), but I'm not convinced of his Executive credentials.

    I'd vote for Rand Paul, but I don't think his campaign has the legs. I'd LOVE to see him as Secretary of the Treasury though!

    I'd vote for Ted Cruz. I think he's the only one who has the political savvy to go head-to-head with Trump. I think he'd make a great Attorney General, too. Or Supreme Court Justice.

    I just can't decide what to think about Rubio. His earlier stance on immigration and support for the Democrat's immigration bill pretty much poisoned the well for me, I think.

    I'll never vote for Mike Huckabee. He's the reason we have Obama in the first place. In 2008, it was a four-way contest between McCain and Guiliani (RINO side of party) and Huckabee and Romney (evangelical side). When Guiliani bowed out, it only helped McCain. Huckabee only had support in two states, but insisted on staying in because of his hate of Romney as a Mormon, when all the polls showed that Romney would win head-to-head against Obama while McCain would lose. When Huckabee finally bowed out, it was only after several more states had been decided by the slimmest of margins in favor of McCain. The damage was done and McCain would go on to lose to Obama in the General Election as everyone knew he would.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You cannot be certain what Rand might say or do. She certainly has surprised me in the past, like her defense of Marilyn Monroe. So...can you give me a definitive answer? Is abstain your only alternative as of today?
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with you on Trump.

    As far as Rand Paul, I think he's very adept and that is why I no longer support him. Had he simply stuck to his beliefs I would have still been a supporter. But he started playing politics and he lost me. I so wish he had stuck to his values but then again, maybe he did and that is why he is not going anywhere in this election.
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