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Giving Tuesday ?%!&

Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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I have been solicited by both universities I attended, the university I am a professor at, and by the American Chemical Society for donations today.

What is going on with this proliferation of altruism?!*&! (in lieu of four-letter expletives)


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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It seems to me you are saying we cannot use reason until we know everything. That is a problem in the realm of epistemology which remains open-ended until such time as we do know everything. But failure to know-all does not preclude one's ability to use reason particularly because of the very statement that you make. What do you propose instead?
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    Posted by james464 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Objectivist logic is flawed from the perspective of first principles and presuppositions because it relies on reason as the ultimate means for man to determine reality. This is entirely subjective because you cannot reason to fundamental absolutes such as are we here by purpose or accident. I believe a philosophy that says "existence exists" has holes in the bottom of the pale where it contains all its principles and corollaries and postulates and theories, etc....
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  • Posted by Timelord 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    okee dokee, I engaged. I don't have time to engage again, however, so that response will have to suffice.
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  • Posted by Timelord 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can broaden your definition of worship as much as you like, but you're the one who directly compared worshiping god to worshiping man: "if it isn't in the worship of God, is has to be in worship of man". My response used the definition of worship that you chose, not one I made up. BTW, unless one is engaging in hyperbole (e.g. I worship the ground that Meryl Streep walks on.) then worship denotes a religious, or mystical, activity.

    My claim that "eventually we will know" couldn't possibly be any further removed from a statement of faith. I based that statement on the stupendous progress man has already made in understanding the universe, and the rate at which breakthroughs are achieved in virtually every field is accelerating. I can buy a 3 1/2" form-factor hard drive today that's filled with helium instead of air and uses shingled, perpendicular recording THAT CAN STORE 10TB of data. 5 years ago it was a theory that IBM hoped to test very soon. A couple of years ago I did a calculation that compared the cost/MB for a 5MB hard drive in an IBM PC model B circa 1983(ish) versus a 3TB modern hard drive that I had just bought for $99.00. If a person in 1983(ish) wanted to buy enough 5MB hard drives to store 3TB of data it would have cost millions of dollars. Sorry I can't be more specific but I don't recall the exact number.

    The technological advancements that allowed me to purchase 3TB of storage for $99 instead of $1M+ only 30 years ago is astounding. I feel completely comfortable claiming that "eventually we will know."

    Your claim that "eventually we will know" is a statement of faith is nearly identical to the statement so often made by believers to atheists, "You accuse me of being irrational for having faith in god when your claim that there is no god is based completely on faith!"

    Only a liar or an imbecile would ever say that. An atheist's conviction that there is no god is based on a complete lack of objective evidence for such a being. You cannot point to a single piece of physical evidence that shows that god exists. No, pointing to a woman giving birth and saying 'There's god for you' is not acceptable. All I see is an everyday, naturally occurring phenomenon.

    You wrote further down that, "Math isn't my problem, it is Objectivist logic." If you have read any of Ayn Rand's non-fiction and were unable to follow her line of reasoning then I feel sorry for you. Her starting conditions and subsequent explanations of Objectivism and its requirement for rational, objective thought are clear - although I'll admit that one or more books are quite academic and require some work to get through. If you don't understand Objectivist logic then I propose that you don't understand any logic.

    That statement also makes me wonder why you are here. You're not going to talk any of we atheists into being believers and none of us will waste our time trying to talk you out of believing in mysticism. What did you hope to accomplish? If you wanted to learn about Objectivism (good for you) then your admission that logic escapes you has shown that you are unable to learn about Objectivism.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thinking about it I came back to your post. Did the dude from Bibit BB&T who left the bank and became a sower of Objective seeds in the education community happen to stop by your University a number of years ago? Name of Allison? The google sources show that number thus affected to be around 30 and he hangs in the south more than anywhere. Just wondered or if not how did yours get that way?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What was his tax write off for such a move and what is the mechanism for the great giveaway? Bill and Melinda Gates did the same thing. It's not all at once and it does come with huge tax write offs. When every one else had the purchasing power of their retirement slashed their foundation went from 40 billion to sunnside of 70 approaching 80 billion. Much of their donations go out of the country - altruistically.,

    What's his face from CNN Ted Turner did the same with 500 million to the UN. He's now the second largest private landowner in the country. How much property tax does he pay?

    Trump openly brags about buying and selling politicians especially congressionals. See him facing anyone's committee? His purchases stay purchased.

    The second round of the cycle of economic repression is in the start up phase. That's where the true costs of the first go round show up to collect on the debt and whose going to pay? Not the one's who operate the scam...you will when that chicken comes home to roost.

    Invest in America? For what purpose? Where is the value?

    Susanne please post that list... let's air all the dirty laundry.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Especially now that the left wing cycle of economic repression has made it impossible for many to purchase anything that is made in country or to shop anywhere except Walmart and Dollar Stores. Welcome to fascist economics you voted for it - deal with it.

    Most of you can't find the center much left define the left nor the right with Clyde driving.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    James, why are you asking the question? Your previous responses all indicate you are impervious to any reasonable discussion.

    It's hard to respond to someone so committed to the false alternatives and premises in your replies.
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    Posted by james464 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are assuming that generous only goes in a direction beneficial to others, but couldn't you just be generously selfish?
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    Posted by james464 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Great hijack guys! Wish you would put this effort into really answering my questions. Can you reason to faith? Are we here by purpose or accident? Does something come from nothing? If we are here by accident, then are not values simply social constructs and relative at best? Do you reason to faith, or is faith in reason necessary? If you need Objectivism prism to answer these, then you have already given up.
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    Posted by james464 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't care if you call "bullshit" or not. I have responded and hope you can engage. I dumped my diapers long ago.
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    Posted by james464 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would argue your definition of worship is too narrow and fallacious. If you are not willing to change it to a more macro denotation, then there is nowhere to take the discussion.

    "Eventually we will know" Sounds like a faith statement.
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  • Posted by james464 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, if I were here for points, I would be long gone by now. I am like at negative 50 to the power of 10
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  • Posted by james464 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you posing the question from a standpoint of absolute morals, or relative morals?
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    Posted by james464 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree that if you are aware that an organization isn't using the funds for what they appear to be using it for, it is time to move on; however, if they are using it for what they should be, then all should be good (as intended, nor morally good since Objectivists cannot have true morals).

    From where I sit and believe, I do not discuss where I give to and how much as it is between me and my Creator.
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