Adding to my appreciation of Going Galt

Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 6 months ago to Philosophy
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So, last night I'm talking with an activist who is trying to orchestrate a movement against a recent law in California - a law that forces medical treatment. There are similar laws being cooked up across the nation now and this lady, along with many others I know, seem to think we can just rise up and stop it. I don't think so. I think the public actually wants forced medicine. They're ready for it, they want it, and they're gonna get it. Eventually, I'll watch from a quiet, seaside village far away. But, her argument in favor of fighting caught my attention - because I think it's flawed. She made the point, "Only 1.5% of the citizens stood up to England and we won the revolution!" I don't see the comparison. For one, we were here and England's over there. The citizens of England at that time were settled in with having their asses handed to them all the time. That's what I see here. Anyway...I'm just venting here. Thoughts?


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  • Posted by scojohnson 8 years, 6 months ago
    Whatever the population was, with the technology of the time, mounting a nation-to-nation confrontation across the Atlantic was a little hard for England to muster... obviously, we never struck on their own soil. We can barely do something like that now.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
    I have kinda "gone Galt" a long time ago. I retired. However, I'm not 100% gone. I still use the internet to see how much trouble I can get into. However, my wife is an entirely different matter. She is one of those energetic type people who can't stop being active. She has been a photographer, an esthetician, and a bookkeeper for several substantial corporations. She finally retired but couldn't stand it and became a very successful Avon lady. At 81, she's like one of those perpetual motion clocks that keep going on atmospheric pressure changes. Oh, and in her "spare" time she is a terrific gardener. She can't just quit, and we're not about to start over at our age. So...going Galt entirely is out. However, that doesn't stop us from making our knowledge known to people who could benefit from it, and maybe be a bit argumentative when we.re in the mood and the adversary deserves it.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago
    There are a variety of ways to resist growing autocracy. The first, of course, is through the system established by the Constitution, through our elected representatives. The challenge here is that numerous generations of lawyers have been very creative in developing the means to stifle the effective use of that process. The Beltway crowd have become a form of artificial aristocracy, as Jefferson predicted, granting themselves a belief in their superiority over the people they're supposed to serve. We cast off a monarchy, only to grow our own oppressive oligarchy.

    The rejection of the established fiefdom of the RNC that appears to be developing may help in throwing off the constraints imposed by a disdainful elite, but the forces of rejection are weaker in the Democrat party. Clinton is the anointed, rightful aristocrat, given her pending coronation by the DNC, despite the less aggressive rebellion behind Bernie Sanders (who threw his followers under the bus by declaring the email scandal as off limits). If the unconventional candidates (Trump, Carson) fail to become President, and Clinton becomes the "monarch" she believes she has the right to be, the door may be closed to lawful reclamation of individual rights as intended under Constitutional mandate.

    What happens next? How far can the DC oligarchs go in depriving us of liberty before more drastic measures seem inevitable as the only recourse? Is a non-violent revolution via civil disobedience, as in the Philippines or Poland possible? The move to violent confrontation is likely to be long in coming, if at all.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago
      DrZ -
      The other means of resistance is slow and will be painful to experience: the expenses involved in maintaining the Democratic policy of medical and welfare support is based on an economic fairytale. Eventually the fairy dust dissipates and the gold pieces turn back into leaves.

      So there is a recourse that is past the ability of even Hillary to disregard - Reality.

      Jan
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago
        Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, my gut is telling me that most Americans will drift along, only awakening when catastrophe has befallen them. A collapse of the economic system, inevitable unless serious change is undertaken, with a shortage of goods and services will hit all but the elite. The only question then is whether the result will be like the Philippine "velvet" revolution, or the more violent French revolution.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago
          This is why a number of us who have not Gone Galt are nonetheless trying to establish precautionary backups so that we will be resilient in such a crisis.

          That is all I can think of doing right now.

          Jan
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
    I haven't heard of this law but it reminds me of being at a UU event a few years back. Two elderly people told me they've been hospitalized for various problems told me every time they go in they wish the healthcare people could face this question: "I'm close to the end of life. Is this one worth treating, or should we be looking at palliative care only?" They said they feel like even the doctors can't face this question. They seemed like happy people, full of life, although one used me or any young man nearby for support when she need it. I was 36 y/o and amazed at how candid they were about the end of their lives.

    Regarding separating from England, my understanding is at least a third favored it.
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    • Posted by Animal 8 years, 6 months ago
      Similar issue in my family, but handled with good sense by the health care providers: The Old Man is almost 92, in pretty good health for his age but still 92. His doc recently advised him that at his age he has high odds of a certain type of prostate cancer that, left untreated, leaves a life expectancy of ten years. He asked Dad if he wanted the test to reveal the presence of any cancer.

      The Old Man laughed at him. "Ten years? I'll be delighted to last ten more years."

      He didn't get the test. He told me that fell into the "better off not knowing" category as far as he was concerned. His doc agreed.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago
      Interesting - both parts. Regarding the near-end-of life care: I believe that the system is really geared toward maximizing revenue from elderly people. Statements lately by people like Bill Gates regarding death panels...that's the interest further up the line speaking out, via this new socialized system, saying "Hey, we don't want to pay for that anymore. Let's let em die and hire ten teachers." Surreal, really.

      I had heard the argument before that only 1-2% were active and never really believed it. Beyond that, the differences in the situation are too many to take it seriously. It's not a matter of whether or not Colonists fought back. This would be like the British citizens fighting back. Probably wouldn't have gone too well. Look at them now. No thanks...

      If you look at what's happening in Vermont, where doctors are being pushed either into large systems or quitting - that's the future. Like in many things, the trend is toward more centralized control. Goodbye incentives...
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
        " I believe that the system is really geared toward maximizing revenue from elderly people."
        I can't stand their talking about this in terms of systems.

        I completely agree that people talk about this in terms of systems: "are we over-allocating money to healthcare compared to education?", but it comes down to individual decisions. If you're broke and looking for a handout, you're subject to these calculations of the people doling out the money. If you are spending your own money, suppliers appear to get you exactly what you want, whether it's legal or not.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 6 months ago
    I agree there is a problem, because the socialists are intermingled in our neighborhoods, not over there or just in the East or something like that. Besides the only way to over through the US military is by ideas - see how well it is working in Iran, Afghanistan with Islam.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
    it was five percent active participants as in the army or navy etc. 10% plus in direct support and less than half supporting England. 1.5% is some made up story. England was fighting France and allies and they didn't want the revolutionary fever spreading to Canada.Flawed isn't the word. Bogus suits better.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 6 months ago
    Back then, the British were more humane in dealing with dissenters. The current government's attitude is that the supremacy of the State is paramount. Any challenge, no matter how small and apparently insignificant, get a massive retort from the State. They will do anything to prevent an avalanche - Ruby Ridge, Waco and any open defiance of any State authority get instant and vicious response. Kind of like the Spartans eliminating the brightest of their slaves - so the system will not be challenged.
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  • Posted by $ KahnQuest 8 years, 6 months ago
    Re: "settled in with having their asses handed to them all the time."

    I used to think the US was going to go the way of 1984, but it seems to be going the way of Fahrenheit 451. The government isn't so much forcing these things upon us as it is opportunistically responding to society's demands for them.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago
      Yes, KhanQ -

      Fahrenheit 451 or Brave New World. The gov is not forcing us into its programs; people are running down the path into a Big Daddy communal future.

      Jan
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  • Posted by scojohnson 8 years, 6 months ago
    Whatever the population was, with the technology of the time, mounting a nation-to-nation confrontation across the Atlantic was a little hard for England to muster... obviously, we never struck on their own soil. We can barely do something like that now.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 6 months ago
      Not at all, I would suggest. Britain had no problems in subduing India and many other colonies that were even further away than America. It's just that the British were more humane in their threatment of their own brothers and citizens than our government is.
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