What would Rand think of Donald J Trump?

Posted by mdk2608 8 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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He is a builder of beautiful buildings. He is an American success story. He gets things done. He is his own man. He is wealthy and is an advocate of capitalism but what would Rand have to say about Trump if she were here today? I have not posted in several weeks so maybe this discussion is redundant but I am curious to see what fellow Gulchers have to say?


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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Trump is the King of bankruptcy abuse."
    I don't understand this claim. Creditors are free to make a personal guaranttee a condition of doing the deal. Maybe they won't get the deal in that case, but it protects them from that one entity bankrupting on their loan. It should be the lenders' and borwers' choice whether the business entity alone is liable or whether the owners personally guarantee the loan.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Don't look at Kerry, and Obama, as cowards or incompetents - everything that they do accomplishes their goals - to destroy the country."
    It's like the people selling this crap have gone so far that even people not involved in promoting politicians can believe the most absurd claims. I kept hearing this with President Bush, how his puppet masters had set the goal of destroying the United States. It's beyond absurd. People who go into politics and get to that level are good at building networks, remembering people, and learning to navigate all the interest groups and ideologies. They're not people who decide they want to destroy the country and decide to go into politics to do it. It's just absurd, but there are more media choices than ever and people doing commentary have to say more and more bizarre absurdities to get attention.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don't say that unless you are 90 or so. Just south of the border about a hundred miles south or more is a grand place to live either full or part time. First make sure you retire in an income tax free state. Second do not have an account with Bank America. Third choose RV, House, Boat or two of the above or all three Only problem is the kids are picking up on rap but you can always turn the dial....

    And you can still sing ROCK in the USM instead of USSA?.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand that it is difficult to even imagine that someone would want to destroy their own country. It is also difficult to imagine that someone would want to destroy their own lives. Yet, everyday, people commit suicide, either out of desperation or for ideological reasons. It is not necessary to "walk in their shoes" to accept the fact that it is so. If you read Obama's book and listen to his early talks and speeches, you will see that he has deep seated hatred for America, especially White America, as instilled in him by his mentor Frank Marshall Davis. His hatred is not unlike that of the 9/11 hijackers, who lived in America and Europe, enjoyed the benefits and received Western education. Nevertheless, the hatred transcended not only the advantages that they had, but even the natural human love of their own lives. Regardless of the pronouncements of our illustrious past president, GW, I do not consider them cowards at all. Now, Kerry may be an imbecile, and so may other people in Obama's cabinet be incompetents, but they are there for a purpose. They have been chosen for their incompetence. But the conductor of this show has a clear goal and every one of his actions has been to cause damage to the country, whether internal or external. Add them up - everyone! One can't deny the facts. As for his children, first, considering their position, he expects that their well being is assured and, secondly, remember that the 9/11 hijackers also had families.
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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have no qualms against Trump, he would/will make a better president than anything the D's are considering at this time. I only hope for another open honest actor to come forth to give us a better choice. (I know too that practically no politician is honest, perhaps none really, perhaps).

    Are you saying that Obama and Kerry are not cowards or incompetents, or just not to look at them that way? Kerry is definitely a coward and incompetent as a human being and especially as a leader, he has already proven that in 1968-'69 and again in 1971 in front of the whole world. I believe they both are so incompetent, they have no idea what they are doing, no idea that they are destroying this country, and making complete asses of themselves. No American could possibly have an agenda to destroy their own country especially someone with children. Do they really want their children to grow up in the mess they're creating? It's gotta be incompetence, or some other extreme mental disorder. We as Americans are also incompetent cowards by leaving them continue the degradation of our country. How do we even tolerate those that just close their eyes and still support these kinds of people? Hillary is next for the chopping block. If she runs and gets elected I don't even want to live here anymore, and I'm really too old to move to another country now. How could any true American possibly even support her, who would be willing to take the chance with all the 'Clinton' unknowns? _ Nuff said, those are just my opinions, I could be wrong.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 9 months ago
    I can't speak for Rand, but I think she respected Rockefeller, Carnegie, Vanderbilt...none were nice people and all used the law to their fullest benefit. If she would respect those men, she would respect Trump.

    Trump has always been a business man and has always conducted his life to make profit. Moving hotels, casino's and properties its not a surprise that he used the tools available. The bigger question is did he break the law? If yes, then it should be scrutinized - like Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Vanderbilt in their day. If no, then there is nothing to say except he's shrewd, not nice, and opportunistic.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In terms of the manner and methods, Hitler would be the closest comparison (although Hitler was a much better speaker; and without the teleprompter).
    Don't look at Kerry, and Obama, as cowards or incompetents - everything that they do accomplishes their goals - to destroy the country. This maybe difficult to accept, but if you add up all that they have done, their deeds speak for themselves. At this point, the country is in such an abyss that Trump may be the last parachute available for our eventual splatter.
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  • Posted by Danno 8 years, 9 months ago
    Trump is the King of bankruptcy abuse. That is a form of corporate welfare. Where I live there is local magnet well thought unless you were his creditor at one time.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We're toast if he is elected. So many are so mad at the corruption in our government, they don't want to look any deeper into someone hollering at some of the same things.

    So, they fill in all of what they don't know about Trump with what they wish he could be, but is not.

    He's not a capitalist 'superhero'. Yeah, he would "shake things up", but most of his supporters might not like how things settle. I might not always immediately recognize them, but I learned a long time ago that the best actors are not in Hollywood.

    http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
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  • Posted by Danno 8 years, 9 months ago
    Hey we need comedy at this stage of the tragedy. So Trump it is!
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  • Posted by Carolinawahine 8 years, 9 months ago
    After reading so many comments, it strikes me that nobody really knows Mr. Trump personally. I do. He presents a public face, which so many find disagreeable; however, in business he is smart, educated and well spoken. He is a negotiator and one cannot succeed in high powered negotiations without being able to present the facts and rewards in such a way as the other side wants it badly. That is not done by making the other side of the table hate you. With friends and family there is a totally different side. Any Rand admired the titans of industry and they were not perfect. They found a way to get what they wanted; so does Mr. Trump. This is truly a man I would "jump through hoops for", and probably will in the coming months of campaigning.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is and also "leads to the lawlessness and contempt for individual rights" in the short run. It is no more a viable "business strategy" than any other gangsterism. Putting that mentality in the White House is frightening.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ayn Rand was fiercely pro American. She might have called Trump a "big mouth", among much else, but not a "classic American" big mouth or an "ugly American".
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump did not just endorse the infamous Kelo eminent domain expansion decision rewriting the Constitution, he loudly lauded it in his usual dictatorial style:

    At the public outrage against it "he told Neil Cavuto on Fox News:'I happen to agree with it 100%. if you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and … government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and … create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good.'” http://www.theguardian.com/commentisf...
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The government of a free society is supposed to protect the rights of the individual, not "make money and keep it for America", "doing what it has to in order to get things done". That is nationalist fascism.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Forcing a property owner to sell to you at any price is not "fair commerce". Trump and the Kelo decision have gone far beyond even the original improper eminent domain provision in the Constitution, going beyond ordinary statist takings to fascist takings for crony "capitalists".
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  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    None of the other democrats have done anything either... Gore, Biden, Kerry are all losers from previous attempts to run for prez. This election it is the conservatives who have the fresh ideas. This battle in the primaries can only help generate needed dialog.
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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was speaking of manner and methods, not direction or goals. In any event more than half the population would be livid about Trump's methods, as about half the population is now about Obama. I think if we just get someone that will obey the law and use a little common sense about cooperation without being a bully, we'll be a lot further ahead. Somehow my parents friend Ronnie comes to mind. We need some diplomacy too but definitely not the cowardess that John Kerry is again showing the world in front of Iran.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, he is not like Obama. The problems with Obama do not come from incompetence - Obama is an American terrorist, whose goal is the destruction of the country.
    Trump's goal is to stop that destruction. A fundamental difference.
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