What would Rand think of Donald J Trump?

Posted by mdk2608 8 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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He is a builder of beautiful buildings. He is an American success story. He gets things done. He is his own man. He is wealthy and is an advocate of capitalism but what would Rand have to say about Trump if she were here today? I have not posted in several weeks so maybe this discussion is redundant but I am curious to see what fellow Gulchers have to say?


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  • Posted by Jer 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nah. That's the same thing she said about Lyndon Johnson when Playboy asked her the same question about him.
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think Rand Paul and or Scott Walker have a chance...the DNC is ready to pounce on Cruz, Rubio & Jindal; they are not N-B-C [Natural-Born-Citizen]. Unlike the RNC in 08 & 12 the DNC won't give up the chance to sink the GOP chances in 2016 [think October Surprise], by knocking out the candidate with no chance to get another one in time to win...

    As to 'the Donald', Ayn would most likely say he makes good comments but his actions of using junk bonds, eminent domain, bankruptcy and the fact that he was a democrat until recently make him an 'enemy' of the people...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have an open mind on the candidates as individuals, but not the GOP or the process. Its rigged. Note I specified "for POTUS" in my comment. They don't have to control every individual race becasue they control the overwhelming majority of sitting senators and reps within the GOP. If an individual senator becomes a problem his reputation will be smeared, his family threatened, of an accident arranged. They are the party that murdered 600,000 Americans in an unneccessary war to create the corporatocracy, and they haven't changed in 150 years.
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  • Posted by Jer 8 years, 8 months ago
    In answer to the question "What do you think of Donald trump?" Rand would reply. "I do not think of him."
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That was my experience. I haven't been there for over 10 years; maybe it changed. I crossed several times in Laredo in the late 80's and 2000, in Tijuana in the 90's through 2000 and a couple of times from AZ. Last time I drove from AZ to Mexico a year ago and it was perhaps 15 min. My trips to Canada had been much worse, being grilled by the Canadians very annoyingly - they wanted to know why I had weapons (in the US, not crossing the border with them), what business I had in Canada... a couple of times I drove on business for the US Navy and they essentially detained me for over an hour of waiting and grilling. Never told me what the problem was, but they were not friendly. Coming back to the US was not a problem.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Coming back in? seriously. a small queue? please. I know better. I cross the southern border multiple times a year. I wait HOURS in line. and then I submit to a berating that is OUTRAGEOUS. I call you on this. BS
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I admit that I do not know the details. However, this seems to be the opposite of the 2nd Amendment issue, where, if guns are outlawed, only the criminals will have them. In this case, the criminals should be slowed down (not stopped completely, I understand that). In Israel it seems to work better than no fence. As to asking an American citizen for DL or passport when crossing the border, I don't see that as either detaining or infringement. I have been through the Mexican border a dozen times or more and had no issues short of a small queue. Maybe I'm not aware of something. As to keeping Americans in, with the country steadily turning toward fascism, it may come handy, but when it comes to that, the fence will come up overnight whether we vote for it or not.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 8 months ago
    One of those dangerous "capitalists": not truly a capitalist, crony statist, nationalistic, irrational. She would likely despise him, albeit with a positive note on entrepreneurial success (offset by his means of succeeding).
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OK> that fence-build it. It will keep you in. How do I know? I cross the border regularly. The Constitution is clear. An american citizen can pass. If you ask him a question? you are detaining him. Most do not ask if they are being detained. Ask. you proceed immediately
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Read the discussion. Did not find an answer to my question, as to what is it specifically about Trump's approach to illegal immigration that is against Objectivism? Yes, I understand that his is not an ideal solution, but an ideal solution is not currently realistic or possible. Yet, what he is proposing has nothing against Objectivism, as I see it.
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  • Posted by IamTheBeav 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To be clear, we agree in many more ways than we disagree. I, too, think the GOP machine is a big government, progressive (if only slightly less so than the Dems) outfit designed to perpetuate the illusion of true opposition to the other side of the aisle. In general, I have little faith in the GOP establishment. Where we differ is that I do believe the Tea Party monster victories in the 2010 and 2014 midterms is a sea change. You said, "Until voters recognize the truth and stop wasting votes on the GOP, the statist regime will continue and there is no chance for liberty peacefully." I am holding out hope that can be done with the likes of Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Rubio, and several Tea Party guys in the house. I have always understood that many of the incoming GOP candidates would revert to Good Ole Boy status, but there are some that are true to their small government, Tea Party ideals they campaigned on. Speaking specifically of Ted Cruz, I think he is the best of the best in that regard.

    Another thing you said bothers me as well. You said, "The GOP will not allow anyone they can't control to run' AND "Nothing but dirty bathwater is allowed to carry the GOP banner for POTUS." That reminds me of something from The Fountainhead. It isn't "Who's gonna let me?" The better question is "Who's gonna stop me?"

    If only "dirty bathwater" establishment cronies who will toe the line can carry the GOP banner, then how did Ted Cruz destroy David Dewhurst so convincingly? In today's terms, Jeb Bush may have a bunch of money and establishment support, but do you really think Jeb can withstand Cruz once the crowded field is thinned out? I don't. Do you think shrill, unqualified windbag Hillary can stand up to him in a debate? I don't.

    I guess all I am saying is that you really should give him an open mind. Your skepticism is well received, but keep your prejudices on a leash until you really get to know the guy. I think you'll like what you see if you reserve judgement for the time being.
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  • Posted by BeenThere 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Have studied Trump over 30 years, through his biographies, his books and those of his associates;
    I agree.
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  • Posted by DennisKebrdle 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wasn't clear enough obviouly. I wasn't being critical but affirming him as the "classic american big mouth" reflecting how many around the world i've met see us. we're saying the same thing
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  • Posted by helmsman5 8 years, 8 months ago
    Dam the torpedoes may well be too exciting for voters, but many here are fed up the statism monster that grows bureaucracy regardless of party. At least we know what will likely happen to PC disinformation..
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The individual GOP member you cite will not be allowed to be the candidate. Any candidate that runs for POTUS under the GOP banner is a party-controlled statist regardless of what he claims. The GOP will not allow anyone they can't control to run. If Cruz carries the GOP banner he will not be the Cruz you think he is.
    Nothing but dirty bathwater is allowed to carry the GOP banner for POTUS.
    Until voters recognize the truth and stop wasting votes on the GOP, the statist regime will continue and there is no chance for liberty peacefully.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    a discussion is ongoing here, strut. funny cool thing-LetShrug took one of my lines to start her new twitter account. She immediately picked up Jonathon Hoenig from Fox Business. LOL my line was this-build a big wall. you think it will be to keep people out? Don't be an idiot. It will be used to keep YOU in. happy Sunday! :)

    http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As a combat vet I understand things can push one towards making ridiculous personal decisions. And seeing the results of almost everything this administration has done, I can buy into your theory. But I still think they are also cowards and incompetents. Unfortunately I can relate to suicide, lost three comrades in Nam to suicide, my 39 year old brother a few years later, and recently a 49 year old niece who had a wonderful 17 year old straight "A" daughter. Why, how could this be?

    Obviously that's why Hillary was chosen for Secretary of State, for her incompetence. Thinking back, many of them have left this administration, perhaps they weren't incompetent enough for the king. There really must be a devil..
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "He presents a public face, which so many find disagreeable; however, in business he is smart, educated and well spoken."
    What you say rings true to me. I wonder why his public persona is a gruff buffoon. I agree you generally don't build that kind of wealth coming off that way to investors, employees, customers, and vendors. I'm sure there is more to him than how he comes off on TV.
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