What do you wish you could buy in the Gulch Marketplace?

Posted by BrettRocketSci 8 years, 8 months ago to Business
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There is a popular sentiment here in the online Gulch (and one I share) that life would be much better if we could conduct business only with those who share our values, and avoid those who act against them. I love the fact that the owners of this community created the marketplace. Moving Objectivism from the pages of a book into daily life requires that we integrate it into our work, our family, and our actions. "Put your money where your philosophy is," to paraphrase the popular cliche.
So, what do you wish you could purchase here in the marketplace? Even better, what have you gone into the marketplace specifically to find and purchase, but came up empty? We need to be more conscious, consistent, and purposeful in putting our values into practice. Help yourself and the entrepreneurs among us by telling us what you want or need to purchase from fellow Objectivists! Thanks!


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  • Posted by cranedragon 8 years, 8 months ago
    If Animal wants Kate Beckinsale, then please put Chris Hemsworth on the menu as well. {{grin}}

    But with a bit more seriousness, I would like to see a marketplace that connects us locally, and not just virtually, to people who share our values, so that we can trade in person with likeminded people -- auto mechanics, doctors, dentists, food producers to farmer's markets, tech support, the works.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
      Yes, we need an Angie's list type of thing for local labor, medical, dental, etc. Why help the looters that abound when we can support the people who value freedom. Kind of like whats in ALONGSIDE NIGHT, the book.
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 8 months ago
      Crane, you can suggest a meet up with gulchers in your neck of the woods. Have you utilized that feature yet?
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      • Posted by cranedragon 8 years, 8 months ago
        We do have an Objectivist meetup in Austin -- we get together weekly for discussions and to read through the books. And of course Tara Smith is here, and her partner Ann Ciccolella is the artistic director of Austin Shakespeare and they did "Anthem" a couple of seasons ago.

        Given that Austin is the blue eye in the red heart of Texas, there are still a fair number of us around, and there's been an Objectivist presence here for a long time -- Yaron Brook got his advanced degrees at UT Austin and we see him down here from time to time.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago
    I would like to buy an island far enough away from looters and moochers that it was beyond the distance at which countries could interfere with my existence. I would be willing to rent space on such an island as well.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 8 months ago
      Ok, you are aiming high and starting with the ideal. I like that! It made me laugh too. In the meantime...I'm hoping to get some insight into things that can connect some dots between Objectivist-friendly artwork and self-sustaining islands.
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    • Posted by handyman 8 years, 8 months ago
      Jbrenner: for your consideration - a local network of Objectivists would be far, far more
      achievable that the island. Waiting for that island is going to be a long, long wait. I strongly believe that by networking in plain sight of the looters and moochers can be done in a way that insulates you from most of the damage they can cause. Imagine all the opportunities for trade (both material and non-material) that could arise within such a local network and then imagine hundreds (or even thousands) of networks around the country and the opportunities for trade among them. No need to find a geographically separate Gulch. It’s already here – right outside your front door!
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago
        The local network of Objectivists is far more achievable than the island. Certain services lend themselves far better to a local audience. For services that do not require a local presence, the Gulch Marketplace exists.
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    • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 8 months ago
      just go to the Bahamas. plenty of islands that you can rent and trust me no one will bother you.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago
        A Bahamian island is under consideration, and a charter flight leaves daily from my town to the Bahamas.
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        • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 8 months ago
          i have friends who have a house on eleuthra for many years. nobody bothers them and that is as i expect you know more populated than the whole of the exuma chain which is where i would look.
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          • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago
            Eleuthera was a popular spot for pirates back in the day. Perhaps I'll fly a Danneskjold Repossessions flag there.
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            • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 8 months ago
              thanks for the correct spelling of the island.
              i believe the primary pirate island was royal is. just to the north where there is a large rok that is covered in high tide, and the british ships not knowing that would hit it. I spent 7 months sailing the islands years ago. when i was back a couple of years ago i noted very little has changed out side of paradise island..
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 8 months ago
    I would purchase bath towels; home-made jam (strawberry and raspberry preferred); whipped natural honey; good quality acrylic sheets in cool colors (3/16" thick); solar panels for the roof; repairing my driveway. There now. How's that for a practical list?
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    • Posted by 8 years, 8 months ago
      Thanks for your answer! Let's continue please. Would you be willing to buy any of these products online? Local repairs and services are a different matter, I realize.
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      • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 8 months ago
        Most of my shopping these days I do online. I have few needs. I don't care to get mauled by mobs in malls. Amazon can usually find even my most elusive things, like brands and styles not easily found in stores. Toothpaste, even. Sandals. Those oft-mentioned Belgian chocolates. Shirts, leggings. Gift copies of Atlas Shrugged (with large type). A small shelving unit of precise size. You can get anything you want in Amazon's restaurant... or online emporium.

        Even repair and services can be found online. Most businesses now have a Web presence. For most of my needs I already have people I've dealt with for many years. It's dreadfully annoying when any of them decide to retire or go out of business.

        I tend to be one of those "loyal" customers who is a horror to cold-call salesmen who try to get me to switch to a new service. Of course, to win my loyalty took good quality, fair prices, and integrity. The same as what I offer.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 8 months ago
          Ok, thanks for that info and perspective! If you paid the same price on Amazon, but knew that a small percentage (say 2%) was going to a fellow Objectivist, would you be happy to start your purchase through their website instead?
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          • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 8 months ago
            Yes, I do in fact take part in Amazon's "Smile" program where a percentage of my purchase price goes to a selected beneficiary. These are not purhases I could have made from that beneficiary. If possible, I'd rather buy direct.
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            • Posted by 8 years, 8 months ago
              Thanks. Buy direct from a sole proprietor / producer of the product or service because then there isn't a third party (or fourth) involved who are splitting profits too, I presume?
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              • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 8 months ago
                In a way. Costs on handcrafted work are higher than mass-produced in China. We don't have enough mark-up available for middlemen. I'm also fanatic about quality control.
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  • Posted by Protagonist_007 8 years, 8 months ago
    V-neck shirts with quotes, easier to spread the word. Maybe a calendar with quotes from Ayn, or have an Atlas Shrugged calendar specifically, and screensavers, even a game. How to build finances, do you leave your job, give to the poor, let the government take it all, fight back (kind of like monopoly with the chance and community chest)... Make a game for kids to learn about responsibility...Hah! just dreaming
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    • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 8 months ago
      Hi, Protagonist, check out gamepuzzles in the Marketplace. Kids (and grown-ups) learn about causality, identity, non-contradiction, resourcefulness, problem-solving... in a most pleasurable way. Pay-off: understanding that one is responsible for the consequences of one's own thinking and choices.
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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 8 years, 8 months ago
    I'd like to be able to buy some of that bread that was featured a couple of times in ASp3.

    And maybe one day, I'll be able to.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 8 months ago
      I own a bakery and we make excellent bread. But it's life expectancy is short and it is generally not economical to ship. Unless there is community of Gulchers in central or northern VA, there's no way to distribute it.
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      • Posted by Eudaimonia 8 years, 8 months ago
        I do strictly sourdough. So the shelf life is a little longer.

        If you do cakes and cookies, would you ship those?
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        • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 8 months ago
          The regular sourdoughs last a couple of days, some types 4-5 days. Still, shipping costs kill the value. We don't make cakes, but do make scones that lots of people use the word "need" when they come to get their weekly fix!
          One particular bread I've shipped occasionally. It is a 100% rye sourdough. It is unique.
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          • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 8 months ago
            strugatsky has hit the nail on the head. Recently, I discovered that it was almost as inexpensive to order the no-gluten salmon dog kibble from Amazon as buying it at a store. I would be more than willing to tilt the 'almost' in favor of financially supporting Gulch commercial enterprise...but the product has to be at least competitive.

            So: I would be willing to buy all of my food staples (not grocs or prob not meat), clothes, cleaning products, honey, computers, etc from Gulchers. It is the 'how to do this' that provides, or does not, the interface between my willingness to buy and the reality of doing so.

            Jan
            I need to keep a couple of handfuls of this in my pocket for a very effective diet - do not like fish!
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          • Posted by Eudaimonia 8 years, 8 months ago
            100% rye?
            That's got to be some dense bread!

            And, yes, the problem is the shipping costs.
            Absolutely.
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            • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 8 months ago
              This is an early 19th century Russian recipe, called Borodinsky, for the monastery where it was made (the famous Borodino field where Napoleon had his big battle prior to entering Moscow). The recipe is well known, but the ingredients are different after 200 years. It took much labor and time to find the equivalent one to make it work. Normally, rye is made either with yeast or wheat to help it rise. This one is a true sourdough - no yeast, and 100% rye. We're kind of proud of it since no one else, at least on the East coast, has been able to duplicate it.
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      • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 8 months ago
        I'm close to northern VA, have a friend there who could stop in. Where are you? Is your bread as good as San Francisco sourdough?
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        • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 8 months ago
          Yes, our sourdoughs are as good as SF! And more varieties. Overall, over 40 varieties (including non sourdoughs. We sell at the farmers' markets from Fredericksburg to the entire Northern Neck. Anna Bakery.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 8 months ago
    The Gulch has a feature of indicating approximate distance of members. Can it be expanded with either more precise locations or groupings of who's available in a particular area? I don't know if a radius is the best measure; perhaps a geographic/political area (or both). Members can then contact each other and do business.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 8 months ago
      Nice feature request, thanks for your suggestion. I'm not in charge with changes but I would bet that a larger critical mass of Producers (paying the fees) would motivate and enable the team to invest more in that part of the website!
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 8 months ago
      strug, I think the feature works pretty nifty. The problem is few have used it. When you suggest a meetup or swap or whatever, it still is broadcast to the entire gulch-it will just send alert emails to people within a certain radius of where you decide to choose. You can search by grouping. Put in your zipcode and a list of Gulchers will show up. PM the ones you want if you really want to get serious. :)
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
    How about some Objectivist jewelry? Dollar sign pendants, rings, earrings, etc. As to an island, I would suggest a casino at one end, a high wall down the middle for the residents. The casino could fund the island leaving the question of taxation moot. Also, increase the odds in the gambler's favor by 1% more than Las Vegas and they'll flock to you in droves
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago
    I know that this thread is about what we would like to see in the Gulch Marketplace, but I am going to change things up just a little and ask whether anyone be interested in taking a class on any of the following during an online summer course:

    Nanotechnology, Biomaterials & Tissue Engineering, or Petroleum Refining?
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  • Posted by brando79az 8 years, 8 months ago
    I'm the customer that looks for services on my block, then my zip-code... state... country etc. But if the product is quality and the cause is just I will definitely purchase elsewhere.
    I digress,
    An eBay or Amazon Marketplace directory would be helpful. I would be interested in any non-perishable consumables. Also, I collect blu-rays and books. A directory would help me locate and follow Gulch members
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    • Posted by 8 years, 8 months ago
      Thanks for sharing your shopping practice, Brando! I'll ask you a similar question as another Amazon shopper--if you paid the same price as going to Amazon directly, but instead knew that a small percentage of the sale was going to a fellow Objectvist (say 2%), would you be willng and happy to start at their website instead? Maybe if all of your favorite items were listed conveniently on one page?
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      • Posted by brando79az 8 years, 8 months ago
        Well, that's why I said "if the cause is just." Yes, if the cause is just, that earns consideration.
        Also, I'm glad you mentioned "listed conveniently" not only is Amazon competitive, it is also convenient. The search is convenient, the product and seller ratings (very important to me) are convenient and the shipping is convenient. Also, I have been known to shop Amazon or eBay and then use their listings to find indie sellers and go directly to their websites to cut out the middle. Especially with eBay, it is easy to follow sellers so if eBay sellers were listed in a Gulch directory, I could follow their eBay listings and look to them first. That way, even if I am not using the Gulchs' marketplace I would still support objectivists.
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