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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll never forget three Parris Island recruits who told a drill instructor that a recruiter told them they had "aviation guaranteed" when told they learned they had a different MOS. This was like a day before graduation "you're a real Marine now" day.
    The D.I. simply grinned and said they had been lied to.
    I was a supply clerk. Somewhere along the line I was told that all the grunts the Marines needed were joining. What they lacked for were people smart enough to be admin and supply clerks and such were those draftees who were diverted into the Marines. .
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not irrelevant when the women get a free ride on student loans and government jobs. At the very least they should be required to perform some sort of service military or non-military even it it's their sons with a minimum amount required. Men get two years women get two baby boys. Cannon Fodder = Baby Factories. THEN they can have their student loans and government jobs.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Back then watched the volunteers take the oath.
    Then I with a line of the conscripted was required to take a step forward.]
    That was all there was. A small step for a draftee or a big step into jail.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Soimewhere i there I forgot this part. To me as a regular the US's (draftees) were in a state of involuntary servitude.A fairly large percentage were more trouble than it took to have them along. Back then the army had it's head in the last century and that means the 1800s and were hypocrites to a fault. The cadets oath of not lie cheat steal nor tolerate those who do was to the rest of us a joke as it disappeared the moment they became second lieutenants. Anyone want to dispute me I'll state exact examples that were not only commonplace but required Army wide and involved a protection racket and outright black mail.My unit not so bad and it maybe different now. I retired in 88 Whose up for defending their alma mater at Hudson High or any of the other academies that used that phrase in the last century?(1900s)
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  • Posted by Ranter 10 years, 10 months ago
    It's an irrelevant law, but it is still a law. Men (but not women) are subject to the draft, under the law, even when the draft is not being used. In order for the draft to be used, the Selective Service System must have a list of those subject to the draft. So, men must register. In the event Congress decides to reactivate the draft, those men of the appropriate age levels who are on the list will then be subject to the draft. Yes, the draft is involuntary servitude, but it is LEGAL involuntary servitude in this country, even though no one is being drafted. Involuntary servitude is legal when authorized by law.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was replying to vido's comment above, "You have to go back to the immediate aftermath of WW1, when rich women, helped with legions of beta orbiters, obtained the right to vote for women at the same time it was granted to men (little known fact, it seems)..."
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Count your blessings. I stayed in and retired in 1988. Signed up for fall term and was told I had to use up four years of GI Bill in three months. Seems they forgot to tell us we had to go out and earn it twice. the first one took blood. the second one was all about money. I ended up paying my own way having only two years left for the first degree and and one for the second. Not quite true I applied for and received a scholarship. What happend to the Education Center programs? Signed up for evening classed on multiple occasions and was jerked out on mulitiple occasions. those were for rear echelon types who neve pulled field duty. But it did teach me a valuable lesson. Don't believe a damn thing the recruiter tells you.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was of course RA or Regular Army. However I never recited the oath the many times I took it nor signed any thing that about it. Why? I'm of the mind speaking for Allosaurs US side of the situation that an oath demanded by force is null and void and serves no purpose. On the Regular Army side of the the mere fact I had voluntarily enlisted said it all . Nothing else was necessary. I always thought it a weak point in the system as both view points from the governments stand point were indefensible and oxymorons. but they were written by lawyers.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh I get it....that was in Limey Land where I was born...early one one Frosty Morn. Look Away! Limey Land....I think the exception was being born with the sound of the Bow Bells which gave you an exemption as a cock-ing the snoot - ney. I typed all of that with a straight face.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There was a problem with poll taxes but solved long before WWI and then the race aspects were still in full bloom until well into th 60's More recently New Jersey denied the military's rightto vote when some due named slutandurger or whatever replaced the Governor in a race for Senator.. but men in general tied specifically to WWI I can find no support for that. What brought it up?
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Men weren't allowed to vote before the close of WWI? I don't think that's historically accurate. That would mean nobody was voting prior to that.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wasd told back in my first week or two in the Army the portions of the Constitution that applied and the fact I was being paid $78 a monthmeant it wasn''t servitude. Another reason was my army serial number began with RA not US. But barring physically unable it didn't say anything about lotteries or games of chance. nor did it say anything about exceptions. So I have less of an argument with the Constiution than with the people who perverted it. Women should have been immediately given full lrights and responsibilities. They weren't, they haven't objected which makes them by their own choice second class citizens at best. especially when their major pro womens rights organizations turned their back on that worthy effort and their sistersin faor of Bubbas Cute Butt.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I no longer have it, but I'll contact my Israeli friend and see if he can find it for me.
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  • Posted by vido 10 years, 10 months ago
    You have to go back to the immediate aftermath of WW1, when rich women, helped with legions of beta orbiters, obtained the right to vote for women at the same time it was granted to men (little known fact, it seems), but whereas men had earned their right to vote in exchange for the duty of dying for their country (selective service), these women managed to get the same right to vote in exchange for... nothing.
    This is "equality" as defined by feminists : all privilege, no duty.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I recall an instructor at the Alabama Department of Corrections Academy during 1982 citing the 13th Amendment as proof that convicted prison inmates are legally slaves for the duration of their sentences.
    Inmates turned out to be slaves who could sue, though. They have to obey orders but inmates still have basic rights.
    That academy is located in Selma. Some may view that as ironic.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 10 years, 10 months ago
    Michael Aarethun, the Constitution, actually FOR-
    BIDS the draft. "Slavery, or involuntary servitude,
    except as punishment for crime whereof the party
    shall have been duly convicted, shall not exist within the borders of the United States or territories subject to its
    jurisdiction." The 13th Amendment says noth--
    ing about whether such "involuntary servitude'
    is for a good purpose or not, and makes no
    exception for military purposes. Of course, the
    Supreme Court has refused to recognize that
    fact, but it is still a fact. Whether those who
    voted the !3th Amendment in were sincere e-
    nough about it to mean for it to be taken that
    way I don't know; (men were drafted during the
    Lincoln administration); but that is not really
    relevant. The Amendment prohibits "involuntar-
    y servitude". Involuntary servitude is involun-
    try servitude. The Court went one way on Ples-
    sy vs. Ferguson, but went the other way on
    Brown vs. the Board of Education; and it may
    take a long time for the Court to recognize the
    truth on this one,too.
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  • Posted by pappyw47 10 years, 10 months ago
    I was rejected by Navy, Air Force, and Army because of heatimg. Then I was drafted in 1968 into Army MP. No attempt to get me to re-enlist because of noncombatant. Because of hearing. Still an experience I encourage my grandkids.
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