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This is not the era of hundreds of thousands of soldiers with rifles. It's the era of technology and trained teams who can work in an environment with civilians all around. The days when we had 'lines' and you could shoot at the people on the other side are gone for the most part.
A draft is involuntary servitude. For any gender.
As I've written in the Gulch before, I did not feel free until a taxi took me out through the gates of a base en route to the airport with an honorable discharge in my baggage..
Such an army is needed in only one country as far as I can tell and that is Israel. The training is needed for more than merely having the experience of being a soldier but for personal defense. I love the photo of three women in bridesmaid gowns carrying automatic rifles.
Jan
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=h...
How about just two?
https://www.google.com/search?q=photo...
:)
Then I with a line of the conscripted was required to take a step forward.]
That was all there was. A small step for a draftee or a big step into jail.
It's left me with a strong impression about the draft.
I got out of the service two months later with what the Marines called a "school cut" and I used the GI Bill to get a degree in Journalism (a major that was previously unavailable at the university that took me back). .
The D.I. simply grinned and said they had been lied to.
I was a supply clerk. Somewhere along the line I was told that all the grunts the Marines needed were joining. What they lacked for were people smart enough to be admin and supply clerks and such were those draftees who were diverted into the Marines. .
Next one. I'm signed up for Germany but it took a four year contact to do it!.. Guess what is on the way to Vietnam if you had east instead of west? they did get their 24 hours - and a pair of jungle boots.
or those that learned the E in ETS did not mean Elapsed but Estimated.
or the National Federal Guard when they learned Summer Camp and Annual Training were two entirely different things.
NEVER trust a recruiter. They will lie to you even when they don't have to.
Recruiters never went to an academy where the oath was ''will not lie, cheat , steal nor tolerate those that do.'' But their Commanders did.
it's all about control of citizens except by excluding women it's unconstitutional in several ways. The constitution doesn't exempt women from the draft. It only defines the ages for men. It's the old cannon fodder and baby factories mentality.Violates the equal rights amendment big time.especially now we have women going through ranger school. 40 started three it looks like are surviving. Amazon Corps just around the corner.
You are exactly correct in your remark. Make the soldier worth a hundred or more of the other side instead of taking a hundred or more to account for each one of the other side.
No MORE Cannon Fodder!
Be warned the whole web site is blatantly sexist.
and they all lived happily ever after until one day the Pied Piper.....legally....took their children away.
What story are you going to tell the day after?
You might tell Yoda it didn't work.
When you are the first Granpa or dad to have your kid come home in a box how will you explain no draft to your wife, daughter, grandkids.
In the Gulch we deal with reality and one of the realities of life is Article One Section Eight of the Constitution. Congress gets to set al the rules for the military and military service. The Tonkin Gulf resolution took about five minutes.
Your kids and grandkidas perhaps already signed up and gave their ok at age 18
and you rely on the no wars with millions of troops or some huge world wide event?
Congress can be as selective as they want. The only restriction is age. they can go after particle beam physicists with at least a masters and eight years experience if they so choose.
But I want to hear your explanation for the inevitable explanation of your no draft belief. What ever will you tel your family? Hans Christian Andersen did it?. The rest is just quack quack ducking reality.
Here you get smacked hard for fairy tales unless you advertise them as such up front. I have been the recipient myself and a little self confession is good for the mind. That's how we improve.
The Gulch is not for everyone.
All right. give your speech or ....were you thinking Canada? That's all right. I didn't mind not having them to baby sit at all.
That's reality. Other than why the anti-war movement quit all of a sudden and left us with that monstrosity. For shame for shame along with the women's movement abandoning their sisters in the nineties. for shame for shame.
Ante up or fold. Yoda has failed you this time.
2. There is no draft until and unless Congress acts to re-institute the draft.
3. No one will be drafted unless that happens, so I don't have to explain to grandchildren or anyone else until and unless Congress re-institutes the draft.
4. If Congress re-institutes the draft, I will urge my grandchildren to obey the law.
Or put another way...you consider your children to be cannon fodder?
Where were your jumps?
BIDS the draft. "Slavery, or involuntary servitude,
except as punishment for crime whereof the party
shall have been duly convicted, shall not exist within the borders of the United States or territories subject to its
jurisdiction." The 13th Amendment says noth--
ing about whether such "involuntary servitude'
is for a good purpose or not, and makes no
exception for military purposes. Of course, the
Supreme Court has refused to recognize that
fact, but it is still a fact. Whether those who
voted the !3th Amendment in were sincere e-
nough about it to mean for it to be taken that
way I don't know; (men were drafted during the
Lincoln administration); but that is not really
relevant. The Amendment prohibits "involuntar-
y servitude". Involuntary servitude is involun-
try servitude. The Court went one way on Ples-
sy vs. Ferguson, but went the other way on
Brown vs. the Board of Education; and it may
take a long time for the Court to recognize the
truth on this one,too.
Inmates turned out to be slaves who could sue, though. They have to obey orders but inmates still have basic rights.
That academy is located in Selma. Some may view that as ironic.
This program needs to go...one of many.
[From Selective Service System website, April 2002: http://www.sss.gov/classif.htm]
* See http://www.sss.gov/FSconsobj.htm for SSS�s information about conscientious objector status & for more classifications
1-A Available immediately for military service
1-O Conscientious objectors opposed to both combatant & noncombatant military training & service; fulfills service obligation as a civilian alternative service worker
1-A-O Conscientious objectors opposed to training & military service requiring the use of arms; fulfills service obligation in a noncombatant position within the military
2-D Ministerial students; deferred from military service
3-A Hardship deferment; deferred from military service because service would cause hardship upon their families
4-C Alien or dual national; sometimes exempt from military service
4-D Ministers of religion; exempted from military service
Which along with the lottery system can be changed by the whim of Congress for example they could add failure to pay student loans - Immediate induction.
Gives judges a fine "enlist or do time" option.
http://tmi-comic.com/comic/cousin-gabe/
This is "equality" as defined by feminists : all privilege, no duty.
l 'Volenti non fit iniuria' i.e. A person who consents does not suffer injury. If they claim otherwise or say 'everyone does it but we thought it was meaningless 'caveat emptor' let the buyer beware. Both are legal principles. And with that I'll await the B9 mystery.
A draftee does not volunteer. He is coerced into service by the government. It is legal involuntary servitude -- the only form of legal involuntary servitude we have had since the Civil War. We do not have it now. There are NO draftees at all in military service.
Signing the draft card is only acknowledgement that you are on notice that you can be coerced into service. It is not a giving of permission, or an acceptance of that service.
Unfortunately I sincerely doubt the Congress etc. sees how coerced act is not valid. Nor the trouble it causes. But to reciprocate -
the rest of my duty mos was 11B*S - 5th, 7th and 8th Groups amongst others. the asterik is a rank indicator. I also spent time as a Panama Canal Zone Police Officer. I had the privilege of command as an acting Platoon Leader on many occasions and a Battalion staff officer S2/S3/S4 as an Officer, Non-commissioned. We were trained far above our regular rank. We were wasted far more than was necessary.But I did love the work.The big guy didn't bless me with a son. Still can't find a list of Navy Serial number systems. But now I know what you will say should the day ever come.
My experience with draftees and more with shake and bake whip and chill instant NCO's was not pleasant so i come back to the writings of Robert Heinlein...if its worth the effort enough will come forward. If enough do not come forward voluntarily it isn't worth the effort.'
Coupled with proper training, leading, arming and equipping and support ( pay and benefits) we get back to your original statement of not needing the draft at all. The citizen volunteer method seemed to work all right in Kuwait.