Two cops gunned down over the weekend -- Where are the cries for their "Due Process?"
Posted by woodlema 9 years, 12 months ago to Government
We had quite the thread over Freddy Gray, a long term career criminal, and all the cries for his Due Process.
More and more FACTS are coming out, and the more we hear the more we find the cops really did not do anything wrong other than perhaps some procedural things.
Freddy DID have a warrant issued for him on 3/13/2015, and did have a court summons issues for him on 4/12/2015 the day he died.
BUT --- WHERE are the cries for the due process of the two police MURDERED over the weekend. Where are the cries of outrage over the 25 year old cop MURDERED in New York a week ago.
Why are we in the Gulch ONLY taking the side of the criminals and those who provide NO REAL VALUE!!!
Isn't a cornerstone of Objectivism the VALUE on has?
Where is the VALUE of criminals vs. the Police?
Before we start getting into surveillance, and all the other justifications for hating cops, the cops themselves to not pay for, contract or install this stuff. It is the people "WE" elect into office and "ALLOW" them to do these things.
I want to see how many of you actually care about these MURDERED COPS.
More and more FACTS are coming out, and the more we hear the more we find the cops really did not do anything wrong other than perhaps some procedural things.
Freddy DID have a warrant issued for him on 3/13/2015, and did have a court summons issues for him on 4/12/2015 the day he died.
BUT --- WHERE are the cries for the due process of the two police MURDERED over the weekend. Where are the cries of outrage over the 25 year old cop MURDERED in New York a week ago.
Why are we in the Gulch ONLY taking the side of the criminals and those who provide NO REAL VALUE!!!
Isn't a cornerstone of Objectivism the VALUE on has?
Where is the VALUE of criminals vs. the Police?
Before we start getting into surveillance, and all the other justifications for hating cops, the cops themselves to not pay for, contract or install this stuff. It is the people "WE" elect into office and "ALLOW" them to do these things.
I want to see how many of you actually care about these MURDERED COPS.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/...
The only obvious (to me) difference between this case and Garner's is that Tony Robinson wasn't black. But as a result, there probably won't be riots over it.
I believe today's police will do these things to people of any color. But most white people don't yet feel threatened by it (and of course black people want us to believe the myth that it happens only to them). Sooner or later the masses will wake up, but it may happen too late if I'm right about Obama's intentions.
falling or twisting or landing under a motorcycle.
I'm just glad that one was not my spine. -- j
p.s. retirement is Fun!!!
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I can promise you that if I resisted it would take more than 4 cops using all their might force and tazers to take me down if I resisted.
You can disbelieve in the force it took them to get Eric down all you want, but I spent several years bouncing in biker bars, and one thing I learned. NEVER underestimate ANYONE. ALWAYS assume they are tougher than you and fight like they are. Punch them 6" behind the back of their head and follow through, end it and end it fast and make absolutely sure your opponent is not able to get up when your done. That means if confronted, throat punch, sternum punch, broken floating rib, knee caps, broken bones call ambulance.
I have watched too many "gentlemen" fights in bars, where the "good guy" fought with proverbial honor, only to have the other guy hit him in the back of the head with a beer bottle when he turned his back.
Again after 30 arrests you would have thought Eric would have known the drill.
I believe Obama is not at all interested in helping black people conduct a successful revolution or coup or anything like it. He just wants to provoke the attempt -- or better yet, an attempt he can blame on the Right or libertarians -- so that the public will stand still for martial law or something close to it. Why else would he still be giving local police all that military hardware, much of which even state National Guards haven't been allowed to have until very recently?
The Cop did violate protocol,a nd procedure, however, the cop was 5'10" Eric 6'4" 350 lbs and WAS resisting arrest, and he had been arrested 30 times over the previous year.
Eric Garner should have known the drill and NOT resisted. I did see the video, and he was NOT going along quietly. I am not saying his "accidental" death was right, but it was NOT murder. Involuntary manslaughter maybe.
As for the cops killed in revenge, I see those as war casualties. I would prefer that that never happen, but when police are given immunity (or the prosecutors won't indict them because they're their friends) so that victims have no other way to get justice, I can't blame the killers.
The bottom line has to be that we must expect cops to behave morally -- and that means not only refraining from corruption, but refusing to enforce unjust laws. Which means in practical terms you can't be a cop today and still be a decent human being. To cure this we will need much more than a crackdown on corruption; we will also need a massive and permanent purge of unjust laws from the books of all levels of government. And above all, we will need a complete removal of immunity from officials of any kind. The law can only have moral weight again when it spares no one.
This is only interesting because of the perceived injustice. The number of people killed is really quite irrelevant.
Still do think police have to forgo more scrutiny than others since they are those entrusted to enforce the freedom-limits the government has imposed.
Also interesting that police officers are so liable for their official actions, while other more powerful and well-educated government officials are indemnified!
4500 Americans are Killed Crossing the Street Each Year. http://everybodywalk.org/4500-americans-...
Here is the BIG one. You hate cops, and think they are bad. How about your well trained Doctor.
In 1999, the Institute of Medicine published the famous “To Err Is Human” report, which dropped a bombshell on the medical community by reporting that up to 98,000 people a year die because of mistakes in hospitals.
http://www.propublica.org/article/how-ma....
You are 240 times MORE likely to DIE by medical malpractice, than by a Cop even IF 911 is called on you.
Doctors spend upwards of 10 - 15 years on schools LEARNING their trade.
Seems to me, that Cops not matter how you cut it, no matter how you slice it, do a DAMN good job.
Further, how many of the 412 killed were in the process of trying to kill an police officer or other person?
Although, I do believe this consequences is the tip of the iceberg for police overstepping their scope. Additionally, I find it interesting the very people wanting to take citizen's guns, also want the police to "behave".
Also if I recall, regular citizens had called 911 about a kid waving a gun around, so naturally the cops would HAVE to assume it was real.
I know if I was responding to a 911 where people think a kid is brandishing a 9mm, my first assumption is it would be real not a toy.
Next if I recall the kid acted, "according to reports" like he was doing a "fast draw" on the cops. Again, I would shot first ask question later too.
How many of those 412 were shot in self-defense, or during the commission of a crime?
"According to these conservatives, police are “just doing their job” and we shouldn’t hold them responsible if they violate their oaths at the command of the legislature. No decent person should defend himself against the gun grabber cop who confiscates his weapons and threatens him with years of imprisonment. The gun grabber cop is nothing more than the product of the gun grabber politician, he has no responsibility to disobey the unconstitutional and fundamentally unjust order to disarm the populace. The politician is evil, and so we should work really hard to vote him out of office in 2, 4, or 6 years, but the police officer who enforces the will of the politician, and cannot be voted out of his position, is unquestionably good and decent and should be praised no matter what.
But then, if police are to be praised because they maintain order, yet forgiven as fundamentally not responsible for the bad laws they also enforce, isn’t there a bit of a contradiction here? If the cop is not responsible for the bad laws he enforces, then for what reason would we let him take credit for the good laws he enforces? Rape, murder, and robbery have all been illegal for as long as recorded history allows us to look back, as long as it wasn’t carried out by mere mortal civilians, that is. Even the politician can’t take credit for the prohibition on predation. So if we hold the politician responsible for bad laws, and the cop wholly unresponsible for enforcing those bad laws, then why hold the cop in praise for enforcing good laws which predated the existence of them both?
Saying you disagree with a policy, then heaping praise on someone who enforces that policy on you at gunpoint, doesn’t seem like the most solid of moral platforms from which to preach. It actually seems quite treacherous. The average police officer will spend quite a small portion of his career actually stopping predation. The vast majority of it will be spent pursuing the war on drugs, petty traffic citations, and inflicting all manner of needless suffering on the populace at the behest of his political masters."
And here's the death score for 2015 through 5/9/15: (killedbypolice.net)
Cops -- 10
Citizens -- 412
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