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What the Gulch is... and what it isn't.

Posted by sdesapio 9 years, 1 month ago to The Gulch: General
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We have a few members leaving the Gulch today. Their reasons are theirs, but suffice it to say the Gulch is no longer meeting their needs. They arrived of their own freewill. They stayed of their own freewill. And now, they will leave of their own freewill. With 20,000+ members, the Gulch continues to grow daily and, as with any growing community, we will suffer growing pains from time to time.

We thank them for their significant contributions to the Gulch.

For those of you remaining in the Gulch, we want you to know that we are listening to you, you are a priority, and we will continue to take strides daily to make your Gulch experience the very best it can be.

Who we are... and who we're not:
1. We are advocates of Ayn Rand's ideas.
2. Our mission is to propagate those ideas.
3. Although Politics is a hot topic in the Gulch, we are not a political organization. The Gulch supports no particular political party.

What the Gulch is... and what it isn't:
1. The Gulch is a "net" which looks to catch the curious, the familiar, the like-minded, and even... the occasional enemy (of reason).
2. Once snared in the net, the goal is to start a conversation, to prod, to push, and to educate - all in the hopes of illuminating.
3. The Gulch is not an "Objectivists Only" forum.

As you'll see in the attached Venn diagram, there are different sections of the Gulch:
1. The Public Gulch forum ( http://www.GaltsGulchOnline.com ) - This is where all the intense debate happens. Everything from religion, to politics, to ethics and morality, are discussed and debated vigorously.
2. The Producer's Lounge ( http://www.GaltsGulchOnline.com/g/produc... ) - This is where we (advocates of Ayn Rand's ideas) go to seek refuge. This is a private section of the Gulch intended to be a place with little debate - a place for the like-minded to relax and enjoy each other's company.

Again, it is our sincere hope that your experience in the Gulch is an enjoyable one and we will continue to work every day to make the Gulch great. It's going to be intense. People are going to disagree... vehemently. People are going to argue... passionately. People are going to contradict themselves... with certainty. And, we're going to propagate Ayn Rand's ideas.

Oh... and Zombies. Look out for the Zombies.


Thank you for being part of Galt's Gulch Online,
Scott DeSapio
Associate Producer, Atlas Shrugged Part 3
CIO, Atlas Distribution Company
Chief Admin, Galt's Gulch Online

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"Speak on any scale open to you, large or small— to your friends, your associates, your professional organizations, or any legitimate public forum. You can never tell when your words will reach the right mind at the right time. You will see no immediate results—but it is of such activities that public opinion is made."

- Ayn Rand
Philosophy: Who needs it? "What can one do?"

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P.S. Those members that will be leaving the Gulch may join in the resulting conversation on this post. Please be patient and give them the latitude they deserve. Their concerns are valid and should be heard - regardless of how they choose to deliver their message. If they choose to return, they will always be welcome in the Gulch.



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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, Matcha, you are an excellent fit. Hang in there. Things will smooth out soon.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Groupthink is not something I have observed in Galt's Gulch Online. What does happen frequently is that people who agree on >= 95% of topics generally talk more about the 5% they don't agree on, but we all learn from that. Welcome to Atlantis, Matcha.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Zen, I hope you come back re-energized and refreshed. I learn a lot from you, so my selfish desire is your return!
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent analysis, particular the evidence of his postings to Progressive sites. His intent in glaringly obvious.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Mama; I'm not stepping back to be missed, but Txs for the sentiment. But if I return it will be with my integrity, convictions, principles, and values intact. If I can find a way to do that, I'll not only return, but jump back in with both feet.
    Again, Txs for the comment.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    JC; Txs for the comment and particularly for the reminder of more AR. It will never cease to leave me in awe that we can find so much in her thoughts that directly impact and match the struggles that we find ourselves in.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent comment, JC. It is good to be reminded of that quote. Zen, you will be sorely missed. You are needed here
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  • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Zenphamy:
    A most sincere thank you for your participation here in the Gulch. I truly enjoy your intellect. It has been a good ride... I am hopeful that you will remain.

    Your comments addressing this issue takes me to the comment that D'Anconia makes to Rearden:

    "It is against the sin of forgiveness that I wanted to warn you."

    I know the story well and the abuse that Hank endured, yet I still fight with myself on how far do you go?
    I call upon this Rand thought for support and I find that it is pertinent to the current ongoing situation here:

    "Those who grant sympathy to guilt, grant none to innocence."

    [edited for clarity]

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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Matcha; we haven't met or interacted much on the Gulch yet, but please don't fall prey to 'borrowed offenses'. All I've said so far is that I'm stepping of the field to do some self evaluation and review of my participation in the Gulch. There is nothing in my choice or the other things being talked about here that should cause you to not participate with the many, many on this site that are strong advocates for Objectivism, AR, and AS--and each other.
    I'm sorry in a way that I commented on the public forum. It wasn't my choice to bring everything into everyone else's front yard. This should all have been handled off the public area. But it wasn't. Objectivist, as any group of humans, can have personal differences of opinions, and Objectivist some of the strongest.
    But please give the Gulch a chance. I think you'll find much wisdom and enjoyment in sharing here, as well as some pretty good debates.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello JCLanier,
    Thank you for your support.I is greatly appreciated. Know that I do not wish to leave and that I am attempting to help find a positive resolution.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by Matcha 9 years, 1 month ago
    In our attempt to explain to the people who don't get what has happened maybe pointing people to Anonymous Documentary 2014-2015. Sometimes, just like with the AS movies, a visual explanation helps.
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  • Posted by PeterAsher 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I have often, on reading CG’s posts thought “What are you doing here?” There appeared to be a constant effort at being negative.

    On most forums I have been on, starting in 1998, I have noticed that some posters seem motivated mainly by finding a way to disagree as way of proving intellect.

    His posts on Progressive sites, defending the objectivist view points, rather than being evidence that he is not a Troll, actually prove the opposite.

    On those forums he is to them, as he is here to us!

    Not that this or he is all bad. Disagreement challenges one to more thoroughly to “Check your premise” (AR)

    It becomes problematic when the holder of the opposing viewpoint won’t address the content of the responses, but seems to want to only disagree.

    This is called by one philosopher of the mind. Being on a Circuit!
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  • Posted by Matcha 9 years, 1 month ago
    I am not new to the philosophy at all. I am 30 years living it. I may not be a fit. I am not being rude because I respect you. I may have a different view of it's application. I appreciate your words.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    We are a very large group. In fact, the most members of any Objectivist site by far. We realize that the movie fans or those new to Ayn Rand come to the site to learn and to share knowledge. Go comment and post! You will find that we are a pretty fun bunch.
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  • Posted by Matcha 9 years, 1 month ago
    Exchanging ideas and having conversations is one thing. When I read AS and talked about the book I experienced group think trying to pull me back into the existing current and religious thought. You cannot tell people what to think. If they allow you to do that they are emotionally needy and looking for group validation. Learning is a process people have to go through. You can't skip the process. I feel, not think, people are basically seeking answers to philosophical questions to have more meaning in their lives. I was lucky to have been born extremely disadvantaged but with very hardworking and independent parents. They believe the same thing you believe but it was their culture and they didn't read it in a book. I married into a very educated family so I also learned from that. Then there was starting a business with loans and great success. Later court, another lesson. To get back to now, this country is in a free fall and iwe are unable to discuss things in a way that will bring more people to our philosophical point of view. The failure is because we are developing a business model and applying it to every aspect of life. I don't disagree with this logic but you have to have a rational argument that this is better. The guy who has lost his home because of government forcing banks to make bad loans backed up by Fanny and Freddie doesn't care about philosophy unless he can see how it will make life better for him. He's been screwed and probably doesn't have clue how it happened. Those are the people who need to be reached. They won't sound pretty or educated posting. It will take a while for them to hear you. As we refine our views we go back and forth for a while. But to have conversations with only those who already think as we do will change nothing. The world is in a bad place and while we have answers if we cannot relate to people our cause is lost. I really don't FEEL the wheels in motion can be reversed. We have lost our freedom to Corporate and Government bad guys. If there is any hope people outside our philosophy have to be influenced to join us. The 20 something's are another problem. They are looking at the world in a different way. They have been deeply influence by government schools and progressive thought. These are just the problems I see. I would find a way to reach more people. You might find yourselves a very small group in a Country with very little freedom.
    I did not edit do I would've lose meaning. Forgive errors.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't know who dinged you matcha. Please stay. Why would you leave? We have 20k members and abundant value on the site. Learn about Objectivism, the works of Ayn Rand and share with us your knowledge.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    And that’s why I stood up for him. Over the few months I have seen people like yourself engaged in conversations with him where there was great interchange. Perhaps the comments missed the ‘objectivist perspective’, but otherwise, his manner was polite, civil, and others like yourself were engaged with him. until one or more of our group would step in to confront CG and ruin the entire thread. CG isn’t my only concern, it’s people like you who don’t know what the heck is going on who have their conversations interrupted by members who prefer to ‘patrol’ the board for trolls then comment on the actual topic. I’m not saying they didn’t have good intentions,they thought they were doing you a favor, protecting you from contradictions, but lately this patrolling has been more disrupting to the harmony of the board then anything else. Now, my name is mud for people I considered my friends for being honest about what I was seeing.So be it. I’m not in this world to live up to other's expectations. Iv’e got my own compass. I want friends who respect that.
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