NASA's Artemis 2 moon rocket has a problem and it's leaving the launch pad. Don't expect a moonshot in March

Posted by diessos 2 days, 19 hours ago to Science
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Well here we go again. Seems like another big government failure.


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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 hour ago in reply to this comment.
    Doesn't take much energy to overcome the barrier with with pure O2. Probably just the thing hitting the wall, and a little event right there, spreading immediately. I'm just assuming based on Snezzy's example. Maybe there was oil on the wall or the rat, or some left over, poorly cleaned hypergolic's
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  • Posted by 73SHARK 1 hour, 24 minutes ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought about that but I was wondering what the ignition source possibilities were.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 1 hour, 59 minutes ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder why John Drury Clark didn't include that rat story in his famous book, "Ignition!"

    Rocket science is inherently exciting, even if nothing goes wrong. Things sometimes DO go wrong, as we all know. The Soviet fuel choice of the hypergolic combination of red fuming nitric acid (RFNA) and unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) contributed to the dreadful catastrophe at Baikonur in 1960.
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  • Posted by 73SHARK 2 hours, 49 minutes ago in reply to this comment.
    Trying to wrap my 80+ year old brain around what contributed to initiate the explosion. Please Illuminate me before I wear it out.
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  • Posted by NealS 3 hours, 10 minutes ago in reply to this comment.
    In the early 60's I worked at the Santa Susan Mountain test facility for Rocketdyne.  At lunch one day someone caught a rat and dipped it in liquid nitrogen, freezing it almost instantly.  They then threw the rat against a wall, and it just completely shattered like it was made of crystal.  The practice continued for a while, until someone at Rocketdyne's facility at Edwards AF Base in the desert did the same thing.  The problem was that they dipped their rat into liquid oxygen.  When thrown against the wall of a building, it blew a hole in the wall "big enough to drive a Mac Truck through".  The practice ceased right then and there.  Experience is still the best teacher (except of course, in politics).
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  • Posted by NealS 3 hours, 32 minutes ago in reply to this comment.
    Yah, it makes the vehicle lighter. (that's was intenend to be a joke). But in actuallity it is also true.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 3 hours, 49 minutes ago in reply to this comment.
    As someone who trains the rocket engineers, I have to understand, and for me to provide value for value exchange to them, I need to get them to understand. As to the decisions regarding fuel technology, just because a fuel is lighter doesn't mean that it is the best decision.
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  • Posted by NealS 3 hours, 49 minutes ago in reply to this comment.
    Because it has a lower boiling point than nitrogen, doesn't freeze near absolute zero degrees.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 4 hours, 57 minutes ago in reply to this comment.
    It's rocket surgery. We're not supposed to understand. I did poke around on the NASA website to see if there were any tech details; found nothing. Do we know what trail of decisions led to the choice of fuel technology?
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
    Why use valuable Helium to pressurize the fuel and oxidants, vs something easy like Nitrogen?
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 7 hours, 4 minutes ago
    Cryogenic embrittlement is a surprisingly big problem. A part of my job is to make sure the engineers know what all the potential rocketry issues could be ... and to troubleshoot proactively.

    Liquid helium and liquid hydrogen are much colder than liquefied methane that SpaceX uses. Is it any wonder that SpaceX is more reliable?
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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 days, 7 hours ago
    If a comparison were made of the IQ of NASA engineers on this program vs the engineers on
    the Apollo program, would the DEI of NASA's Artemis program be exposed as deficient?
    And what would the contract awards on the Artemis program show ?
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  • Posted by mccannon01 2 days, 8 hours ago
    Better to catch these problems before launch even if it is disappointing.

    Interesting line in the article: "Artemis 2 will send three NASA astronauts and one Canadian on a roughly 10-day trip around the moon and back to Earth in a Orion capsule." /s The terms America or Americans isn't mentioned once in the article so exactly who are those "NASA astronauts"?
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