NASA's Artemis 2 moon rocket has a problem and it's leaving the launch pad. Don't expect a moonshot in March

Posted by diessos 2 days, 18 hours ago to Science

Well here we go again. Seems like another big government failure.

SOURCE URL: https://www.space.com/space-exploration/artemis/problem-pops-up-with-artemis-2-moon-rocket-this-will-almost-assuredly-impact-the-march-launch-window

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Posted by freedomforall 2 days, 5 hours ago

If a comparison were made of the IQ of NASA engineers on this program vs the engineers on
the Apollo program, would the DEI of NASA's Artemis program be exposed as deficient?
And what would the contract awards on the Artemis program show ?

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Posted by jbrenner 5 hours, 48 minutes ago

Cryogenic embrittlement is a surprisingly big problem. A part of my job is to make sure the engineers know what all the potential rocketry issues could be ... and to troubleshoot proactively.

Liquid helium and liquid hydrogen are much colder than liquefied methane that SpaceX uses. Is it any wonder that SpaceX is more reliable?

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  Posted by Snezzy 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
  
  It's rocket surgery. We're not supposed to understand. I did poke around on the NASA website to see if there were any tech details; found nothing. Do we know what trail of decisions led to the choice of fuel technology?
  
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    Posted by jbrenner 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
    
    As someone who trains the rocket engineers, I have to understand, and for me to provide value for value exchange to them, I need to get them to understand. As to the decisions regarding fuel technology, just because a fuel is lighter doesn't mean that it is the best decision.
    
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Posted by mccannon01 2 days, 7 hours ago

Better to catch these problems before launch even if it is disappointing.

Interesting line in the article: "Artemis 2 will send three NASA astronauts and one Canadian on a roughly 10-day trip around the moon and back to Earth in a Orion capsule." /s The terms America or Americans isn't mentioned once in the article so exactly who are those "NASA astronauts"?

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Posted by Thoritsu 4 hours, 10 minutes ago

Why use valuable Helium to pressurize the fuel and oxidants, vs something easy like Nitrogen?

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  Posted by jbrenner 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
  
  As I wrote above, weight shouldn't be the only consideration.
  
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  Posted by jbrenner 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
  
  Weight
  
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    Posted by NealS 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
    
    Yah, it makes the vehicle lighter. (that's was intenend to be a joke). But in actuallity it is also true.
    
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      Posted by NealS 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
      
      In the early 60's I worked at the Santa Susan Mountain test facility for Rocketdyne. At lunch one day someone caught a rat and dipped it in liquid nitrogen, freezing it almost instantly. They then threw the rat against a wall, and it just completely shattered like it was made of crystal. The practice continued for a while, until someone at Rocketdyne's facility at Edwards AF Base in the desert did the same thing. The problem was that they dipped their rat into liquid oxygen. When thrown against the wall of a building, it blew a hole in the wall "big enough to drive a Mac Truck through". The practice ceased right then and there. Experience is still the best teacher (except of course, in politics).
      
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        Posted by Snezzy 43 minutes ago
        
        I wonder why John Drury Clark didn't include that rat story in his famous book, "Ignition!"
        
        Rocket science is inherently exciting, even if nothing goes wrong. Things sometimes DO go wrong, as we all know. The Soviet fuel choice of the hypergolic combination of red fuming nitric acid (RFNA) and unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) contributed to the dreadful catastrophe at Baikonur in 1960.
        
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        Posted by 73SHARK 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
        
        Trying to wrap my 80+ year old brain around what contributed to initiate the explosion. Please Illuminate me before I wear it out.
        
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        Posted by Thoritsu 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
        
        Combustible carbon-compounds in the rat and oxygen
        
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        Posted by 73SHARK 7 minutes ago
        
        I thought about that but I was wondering what the ignition source possibilities were.
        
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  Posted by NealS 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
  
  Because it has a lower boiling point than nitrogen, doesn't freeze near absolute zero degrees.
  
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NASA's Artemis 2 moon rocket has a problem and it's leaving the launch pad. Don't expect a moonshot in March

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