For information about actual vaccination progress, you might be interested in this set of charts: https://usafacts.org/visualizations/c...

Point is that if you accept the premise of a two-poke process, most of the US is only at 30% right now. (I don't find it persuasive which is why I use the higher number representing a single poke.) The original estimate for herd immunity was 60% (which they altered to 90% for purely political reasons). If you include the 40%, it explains and tracks nicely with the declining trends we've been seeing for nearly five months.

"I would say that somehow the virus is becoming weaker, or its only able to infect the remaining population who happen to have strong immune systems."

My son got COVID just before coming home from college for Thanksgiving break. We didn't know until he got tested the Friday afterwards. Yet despite two family Thanksgiving feasts (combined over 60 people) and 13 people living in the same home as my infected son during that period, not a single other person got it. And that was despite half a dozen (including my then-future son-in-law and his father) getting tested the next week after we informed them. And yes, my 19-yr-old son was symptomatic, registering a fever of 103 for two days.

(Just to be absurd, my wife actually sucked on the thermometer she had just used to take his temperature in hopes of contracting the illness.)

Purely anecdotal, of course, but does cause me to seriously question the numbers from the CDC...

I do think herd immunity is geographically dependent also. 90% in one state, and 30% in another, assuming no travel between states, does not equate to 60% herd immunity overall. So many factors determine how fast and where a virus spreads.

4 coworkers out of the 10 here came down with covid a few weeks ago, but nearly asymptomatic except for smell and taste deficiencies. No other symptoms. The other 6 didnt come down with anything at all, and only one of the other 6 was vaccinated. I would say that somhow the virus is becoming weaker, or its only able to infect the remaining population who happen to have strong immune systems.

Agreed. Of the three, the only one I would consider getting would be the J&J one which is an actual vaccine rather than a gene therapy treatment.

I have had both Moderna shots. My girlfriend has not had any. So, there is some diversity here also.

Estimates by many are that we are already past herd immunity because of asymptomatic cases being as much as 40% of the population at this point. Now there is surely overlap, but when you have ~50% of the population getting the shots (assuming of course they are efficacious) that tallies to a pretty high figure. It would dovetail nicely with the data, however, which indicates that things have been winding down since February.

About the same number of people who've gotten the actual illness - and survived. To me, the "vaccine" is neither more trustworthy nor more safe than the pathogen. (Given that the average condition of one succumbing to COVID-19 is over 70 years old and has two other significant health issues, I cast a very skeptical eye at the "panic porn" the media has been spewing this last year.)

Example: A family I'm good friends live down the street. COVID knocked out their entire family (parents with several grown kids living with them) for a week. Everyone survived with no lasting consequences but were really sick at the time. Contrast with a brother-in-law who just got his second shot and was - ironically - crowing about how the second dose knocked him on his can and put him out of work for a week. Now my sister (his wife) had almost no symptoms from the shots, but that seems to be pretty par-for-the-course regarding the pathogen as well - with most people getting it and never even noticing.

If I could give this last year a title from a Shakespearean play, it would be "Much Ado About Nothing."

4 co workers came down with covid, but have essentially no symptoms except for deficiencies in smell and taste. That lasted a couple of weeks, and they are doing fine. I think the fauci-ites blew this covid thing up out of proportion. Some people with deficient immune systems were no doubt in trouble, but I think most people got it and didnt even know.

We had 4 co workers a few weeks ago come down with very mild covid (smell and taste deficiency only), while I did not get get infected at all (I have been vaccinated, and they were not).

I feel stupid wearing masks now, and am happy the leftist democratic governor in Nevada finally took away the statewide mask mandate. Some very leftist businesses still require the mask, but I will just NOT frequent them until they come to their senses.

Michigan elected that particularly STUPID governor. No wonder they are making a fuss over NOT wearing masks. Vaccination is far more effective than wearing a mask, so why continue with the masks. If the michigan liberals want to be perfectly safe, climb under your bed and stay there.

Thanks for the clarification, I guess it is like reverse psychology. After all, what seemed to be working for the left is them telling complete lies about everything and their sheeple just follow them.

How many folks do you know that have "survived" after getting the stab. what is the preferred ratio?
Also, how many of those survivors have not gotten the disease because of the vaccine. I understand that those who died were close to you. And it IS your choice.

Me too. I really enjoyed your comments above, CircuitGuy, because it's been that way for me most of the time, too. I just do my thing, wear a mask when I absolutely HAVE to and at no other time, and just live life.

Today I've been listening to some of the drivel on NPR about how everyone is so scared because the rules are relaxed. It just makes me shake my head. edited for clarity as to whom I was addressing.

NOTICE
AS PER THE CDC:
IF YOU ARE VACCINATED OR HAVE ANTIBODIES TO COVID 19
MASKS ARE OPTIONAL
This is the sign I have on my office front door. Bitchmer wants us to be the vaccine / mask police which I refuse to do. But then I grew up in the sixties so I have always had anti authority tendencies.

Yes, and all without regard to long-term effects which won't be known for several more years.

Given who created the virus and the "vaccines" - as well as the actual hospitalization rate for COVID - I'll pass on the "vaccine." Two of my wife's friends died after getting the stab. Her sister nearly died as well. That's three more people than I know died from the actual disease.

I identify as Vaxxed. As a Military Brat & Public School inmate I've had jabs all my life so I can honestly say, "Why, yes, I've been vaxxed." Don't have to say when. This concoction isn't even a true vaccination. No thanks. p.s. I neve did wear a mask. (73 years old with an autoimmune disease... doing fine, thanks)

There is a flaw in that conclusion because all over the country it was Republicans and us nasty trump supporters who believed in delving into the REAL science and then making decisions rather than being hustled by pontificators who actually did not have hands-on experience with patients. Science doesn't just occur in the halls of institutions designed for such, it occurs out in the real world where real doctors treat real patients and observe first hand what goes on. Abunch of states did that and things turned out just fine amid scoffing and ridicule.

You have to make the best decision you can based on your own individual health conditions. I was simply addressing why someone who had gotten covid might still want the vaccine.

I think there is a punctuation error in this Posting text.

This 50-page anti-mask analysis was posted on a website attributed to its author. It was taken down, but not before I printed it to PDF. Download it and spread the word; I don’t see a copyright notice. http://harshman.name/Linked-To_Materi...

What makes you think the 'maskers' are Trump supporters? I find they are nonpartisan!

Oh yeah? Well smoke on this... I have Graves Disease and that is a biggee autoimmune disease. So my doctors won't let me take the vaccine. What are the power mongers gonna do about that?

Actually, studies from Africa show that those vaxed are MORE susceptible to the so called variants as well as the regular flu...trust your immune system and trust nature.

Mask Holes generally are lefties and sheeple. Those that understood and stood, with Trump and not sheeple, even though we are treated by the lefties as the Black Sheeple of humanity...wrong on both counts...we're just Americans.

I have an idea what motivates some of them. They have received all of their information from the MSM and are still afraid. What motivates MSM and other people feeding them that information is the real question. And, the most likely answer is greed for power.