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  • Posted by Mamaemma 1 week, 6 days ago
    It’s government and is a system of redistribution. Honestly, why in the world would you expect it to be fair? That would assume that you trust government.
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  • Posted by $ Commander 2 weeks ago
    SSA is a rather complex issue from beginning to now.
    Here is the best read I have found to explain. https://whorulesamerica.ucsc.edu/powe...

    What I have done is to start and maintain a business for more than 30 years to avoid taxes as best I can. Also, I purchased my folks house outright well in advance of their passing that taxation and hardship might be minimized for them. Selfishly, I shall have rental property with no financial load other than property tax after they are gone.

    What angers me most is that I was entered into a contract without my adult understanding and acceptance of the terms offered. Without this program, or anything of likeness, people would be forced to think and act as if there were no safety net. I was fortunate enough to learn the basics in my 20's. Now in my latter 50's, my planning has come to fruition.

    These "safety nets" are damnable traps for everyone.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 1 week, 6 days ago
      Did you consider the source (and his agenda) of that article on ss?
      From the outset, it looks like a left-biased article blaming the right for everything under the sun. He supports his "position" with left-biased articles from people who worked in Democrat administrations or were life-long bureaucrats.
      I admit, I could not read past the first couple of pages of the article because the bias was so obvious.
      I wouldn't trust a sociologist from U oF KA with anything, certainly not an un-biased history of ss.
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      • Posted by $ Commander 1 week, 6 days ago
        I read, and had the same initial reaction you express. I read much further in because of the hours I've spent within the website and the book I ordered. I'm finding a credibly detailed look at the history that has brought about so much conflict.
        He comes from, what he calls the most left city in America. Notwithstanding, and reading deeper in, Domhoff does explain very critically the interactions of the Power Elite and the Corporatists in the formation of SSA.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 1 week, 6 days ago
          Thanks for taking time to explain, Commander.
          When I have time I will read more.
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          • Posted by $ Commander 1 week, 6 days ago
            You are welcome. Here is the source website Home: https://whorulesamerica.ucsc.edu/
            I started going deep into this a month ago. I might not agree with some, yet the history and insight is very precise and laid out in simple language.
            This was compelling enough to put a crowbar in my wallet and buy his 2020 publication: The Corporate Rich and the Power Elite in the Twentieth Century. I'm about 150 of 650 pages in. This really clarifies a lot of the developments in the culture of Elitists regardless political party...and how these things "exchange places" for class dominations.

            Insightful and sickening that the ignorance of the populace allows such intrusion.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 1 week, 6 days ago
      The deep state knows they are going to steal everything we have, and they needed social security in place so we don't revolt against them and take back what was stolen. It would look bad if the state had to execute everyone over 60 for treason. Better to fund a disease that kills old folks before they can collect ss.
      That's the truth of social security. ;^)
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      • Posted by $ Commander 1 week, 6 days ago
        A very recent harshness indeed.
        I did not have a SSN until I was 11. My folks wanted me to have a saving account with a bank. I would have been free if not for their benevolent ignorance.
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    • Posted by $ 2 weeks ago
      Thanks for your article. But it only confirms my questioning as to why SS was branched out in so many directions. It was intended to be OAA (Old Age Assistance) then they threw in Workers compensation (which the Nat'l Assn of Mfg felt should be otherwise funded) and they threw in Disability. If they had bought each of us paying into it an annuity with the monies we paid in we would be getting wonderful pensions now. Mis Management by the Govt as usual.
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      • Posted by $ Commander 2 weeks ago
        This whole thing was steered intentionally to be a tool of enslavement of the young. I encourage everyone I meet, who are about to have kids, to not enroll their kids into SSI without some serious research. Any form of insurance where Govt has influence is inequitable; State or private. This is why I protect my folks as I do. They had no idea this could turn like it has.
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        • Posted by Mamaemma 1 week, 2 days ago
          Commander, at least in my state, they hand you a social security card for your newborn as you leave the hospital. No choice involved
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          • Posted by $ Commander 1 week, 2 days ago
            What!? If parents have not expressly applied by process attached what you are telling me is that the hospital is in violation of Fed law.
            https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0...
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            • Posted by Mamaemma 1 week, 1 day ago
              You’re right. I asked my husband, and I was wrong!!
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              • Posted by $ Commander 1 week, 1 day ago
                Bless you!
                A friend of mine went through an extrication process from SSA. It took about 2-1/2 years of multiple filings and a lot of waiting. Afterwards all he did was to file a tax statement of non-participation/exemption, for lack of better words at present, with the Feds, Subsequently he owed the State nothing as well. He worked within mortgage underwriting for Bank of America at the time....mid-2000's. Originally only Federal employees were required to file tax docs. When the banking system was Federalized...2009?...he became a Fed employee and all his effort went to $#%^!!!
                Not long afterward his first daughter was born. About a month after her birth he received a letter from SSA addressed to her, confirming her enrollment in the "program". Denny hit the roof! He had expressly marked and signed her birth record declining enrollment. He told the hospital admin they had better retract and expunge the record or they were going to court. He had piles of docs and records to throw against any potential of defense they may raise and a clear threat of "I'll own your institution if you don't correct the intrusion". His expression may have been a little verbose but conveyed enough legitimate aggression that a lot of heads may roll if they did not capitulate. This would have been a kick-ass case to get to the Supreme Court if for nothing but public awareness.
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                • Posted by Mamaemma 1 week, 1 day ago
                  Boy, how much would I have loved having that money to invest! There were many steps that led to the socialist state we live in today, and SS was a big one
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                  • Posted by $ Commander 1 week, 1 day ago
                    Yeah me too. considering what i paid in corporate and business over 30 years...I'd have 4 times as much as SSI payout over 35 years. However, I planned on no SS despite the taxation.....this is gravy if it pays.
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  • Posted by $ 2 weeks ago
    The rioters in the streets want reparation for slavery which hasn't existed for almost 200 years. My family hasn't owned a slave in 9 generations. i'm counting my great children. Great, great, great freed his when he came to Texas in 1830.
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    • Posted by $ 2 weeks ago
      Think of all the elderly surviving spouses trying to live on one person's social security when they both paid for years and years and no one drew that deceased person's social security. No one drew my mother's, my father's, my sister's, my son's or my husband's. Where did that money go? I know I worked for the U. S. Actuary who represented us on Social Security and was appointed by President Lyndon Johnson. That doesn't do it for me!
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      • Posted by $ 2 weeks ago
        I am today writing both my Senators and making a complaint on behalf of all the widows/widowers who cannot draw their spouses Social Security. I draw my own. I made more money that my darling who spent 20 years 3 months and 28 days in the U S Army and went into law enforcement for 18 years after that.
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