I Really Need to Get This Out

Posted by Snoogoo 7 years, 1 month ago to Education
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So I read an article about a guy named Douglas McAuthor? McCain, an American Citizen who died in Syria fighting for ISIS. What really freaked me out is that this guy was only 4 years older than me and grew up in the same area I did, attended a public school very close by, and then turned into an Islamofascist. How does this happen? It got me thinking about our common upbringing. Of course, everything, in the end is an individual choice, nothing forced this guy to join ISIS. He is responsible for his own actions and it is good that he is dead. I remembered my very early schooling, all throughout University. There is a common theme. My generation was taught to feel guilty of everything, we were taught that America was bad, we were taught that white people have caused every sort of oppression simply by being white and somehow that guilt has been passed along throughout the generations so that a white baby born in the 1980's is somehow cursed by the sins of a bunch of people they are probably not even related to. I felt obliged to stand up for the 'oppressed' people, always giving 'them' the benefit of the doubt. We were taught that socialism was a good idea, it only ended up bad when rich people take advantage of it. I was not taught about the ugly side of the USSR, I was not taught about what socialism and communism actually DID to people, how it resulted in more deaths than any other plague in human history. We were not taught to stand for anything because we were taught to worry first about who it would offend. We were taught that patriotism should be scoffed at, that nothing is good or evil, everything is gray. We should try to understand and analyze and above all, come up with an excuse for everything. In one class, the class even came to the conclusion that the holocaust was not the Nazi's fault. They were just a product of their history and military structure(?) and that is too bad. We were always taught in college to analyze texts using "postmodernism theory" which I never really understood the point of. What the hell does Post-Modern mean, how is it possible to be "Post-Modern" if modern means now? Nobody was ever accountable. In the end, we were taught to stand for nothing, subsequently we have fallen for everything. The people in my generation have become zombies, looking for anything to fill their lack of ideals. We were not taught to think for ourselves, because we were taught that thinking for ourselves would only lead to the oppression of others. Eventually I had to go through a long process of deprogramming myself and I'm still working on it. If anyone here was born in the 80's my question to you is, did you experience the same thing? Or to anybody else, what the hell happened?

I'm sorry if I'm ranting but I tell people this all of the time, and usually the response is just sighs and blank stares.


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  • Posted by LetsShrug 7 years, 1 month ago
    You just explained what happened... it's all about the teaching...it was the same case in Russia, and in Germany... The schooling system, political correctness, the fear of speaking up and offending, the inability to engage in important conversations, feeling instead of thinking, rewriting history, passiveness...and unearned guilt. That IS the recipe...and it's nearly done baking here.
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  • Posted by tkstone 7 years, 1 month ago
    I thought this was a more recent problem. My oldest was born in 1990 so I guess I thought it started then, but I guess that was just my first exposure. I did witness the complete collapse though in the last few years. I could not believe the difference in the graduating classes from my oldest to my youngest. A student that simply stands erect and proud looks like John Galt compared to his classmates.
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  • Posted by SithyariMelek 5 years, 10 months ago
    Going through the archive this morning I noticed this thread. Just to give the info, "postmodernism" isn't referring to what we mean by our "modern" era, but the "modernist" movement that took place at the beginning of the 20th century (roughly) as a culmination of Humean and Enlightenment ideas. Modernism tends to try to put everything within the boundaries of science, to understood everything using scientific methods, and as such many of its proponents rejected the study of subjects like metaphysics and ethics as meaningless or purely emotive on character without any factual content. Postmodernists decided to go even further and deconstruct our sciences and the practice of language as well. They found inspiration in some of the existentialists and, in my opinion, overextended and oversimplified the analysis that all things are merely an expression of power-seeking, rather than accepting the idea that sometimes people are actually concerned for the truth or have other motives not directly involved with power accumulation. Not every postmodernists views things that way, but it is popular -- especially when it comes to Foucault and similar writers.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 10 months ago
      Wow, a comment on this post is a real throwback. Since then I've done a lot of reading and personal research and finally read most of Rand's non fiction. Point taken, more reading and less ranting.
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    • Posted by khalling 5 years, 10 months ago
      welcome Sithyari :) please enjoy the site and educate. Many here are fairly new to AR
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      • Posted by SithyariMelek 5 years, 10 months ago
        Thank you! I just noticed there's no "edit" option so I have to suffer the fact that my previous post has a billion typos. Autocorrect is Satan. I appreciate your welcome and will do my best to contribute something worthwhile!
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        • Posted by khalling 5 years, 10 months ago
          I enjoy your efforts on FB so I am glad to see you here. You get an "edit" option if you sign up as a "producer" which has a cost associated with it. You receive beneifits for that cost, including that feature. Mostly, you have access to things others do not. For instance, we were able to recently give Al Ruddy, producer and owner of rights to AS our input for his mini-series planned. Please enjoy, and remember, this group is mostly made up of those who knew nothing about Rand and loved the movies. However, there are many Os here as well.
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          • Posted by SithyariMelek 5 years, 10 months ago
            I may very well end up signing up for producer access pretty soon. If its the case that most of the people here are only familiar with Rand through the movies then there is a lot of work to do. My personal opinion, which may sound harsh and I don't mean to offend, is that the movies were a big disappointment. They reminded me of the scene at Hank Rearden's anniversary party when Dagny is about to leave and Halley's Fifth Concerto starts playing, but suddenly the music reveals itself as a cover song remodel that was a total botch and joke in comparison to the original masterpiece. If some people have discovered Rand's ideas by being exposed to the movies I don't have any real complaint, but I'd really encourage all of those who are in that boat to read her books if they haven't yet; I don't think the films did her work a fraction of the justice it deserves.
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            • Posted by $ winterwind 5 years, 10 months ago
              Sithyari, you can't give us any opinions other than your own, except second hand, and if you're going to apologize for airing them, why do so? You are absolutely entitled to your opinions, and to air them as well - that's what we do here.
              But if you're going to tell people that there is a lot of work to do, have the good grace to tell them what it is. Criticizing the movies is WAY old news, and being encouraged to read the book is both vague and obvious.
              khalling spoke well of you, and I value her opinion immensely, so I will invite and advise you to show by doing.
              regards,
              ww
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 10 months ago
              Sometime movies are produced and distributed with one thing in mind. People who go to movies don't read books. A prime example is the difference between Starship Troopers the POS film and the book. The book was meant to educate. The Movie was meant for an entirely different purpose.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
    Your education sounds completely different from my mine, but I'm 39, and things may have changed.

    I don't know anything about the news story, but often people join radical groups b/c they're caught between two worlds. Last year I read the book Acts of Faith on this topic: http://www.amazon.com/review/R39KANB6SQ4...

    If this militant's family came from the US, though, it's not covered in the book. The book is about people whose family moved to a different country.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago
      Perhaps it has changed, plus, there are differences depending on what part of the country you are in. The university I attended is openly left-wing. Also, there was just a local news story about this and the family were all born in the US and they are not Muslim. This man converted later in life. So that makes this pretty strange, but he is certainly not the only one. Thank you for the link, I will look it up.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
        "Also, there was just a local news story about this and the family were all born in the US and they are not Muslim."
        That's surprising and interesting. It's freaky that he lived in your area and somehow got a notion to join foreign criminals.
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  • Posted by SithyariMelek 5 years, 10 months ago
    Winterwind: Point taken, you are right I should not apologize for my opinions. I simply did not want to cause a stir if certain people had become interested in what I consider to be a worthwhile movement in the basis of those movies. But yes, I thought they were terrible.

    So far as "a lot of work to do": the movies failed to communicate a lot of the profundity and subtleties of the philosophy espoused in the book. Movies may be limited in how much they portray compared to a novel, but I've seen movies (e.g. "There Will Be Blood") that are capable of portraying ideas and stirring emotions and thoughts in a way far more profound than the novel (Sinclair's "Oil" was lame). So if people are only familiar with the philosophy through the movie, that means they cannot be very familiar at all. So yes, there must be a lot of work to do.
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