We should've picked Hillary, but Trump is the best
A title inspired by the NYT to get attention. Just looking for a conclusive survey in this well-informed forum.
1. Who was the best candidate we could have actually gotten elected in 2016 (easter bunny is out) to optimize general freedom
2.Who was the the best presidential candidate in 2016 we could've gotten elected from an Objectivist perspective.
3. What else could (should) we be doing that would practically improve our freedom in our lifetimes?
Just preparing for the next election and getting the best input.
"Yes, but..." is a waste of everyone's time.
1. Who was the best candidate we could have actually gotten elected in 2016 (easter bunny is out) to optimize general freedom
2.Who was the the best presidential candidate in 2016 we could've gotten elected from an Objectivist perspective.
3. What else could (should) we be doing that would practically improve our freedom in our lifetimes?
Just preparing for the next election and getting the best input.
"Yes, but..." is a waste of everyone's time.
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1, 2 & 3. Trump. Not without some reservations. He's got the right ideas, he reaches for the prize, he seems to have a good feel for what it is he's doing...and his stats are amazing. I think it's marvelous that he's NOT a politicianl
He has managed to get some things done in spite of all of DC plus the media. That is impressive to me.
People determined to break the laws will do so, no matter how many you pass.
I meant in the general election.
Agree, in the present environment, the only way a person not selling other people's money survives is on the offensive.
In the primary, I thought Trump was a clown and had no chance, but looking back, he was the only one that could discuss taking on the deep state without failing the election.
Next, do we take it that any of those 11 could have actually gotten elected? Clearly not all of them thought so; more than half (including Rand Paul) had withdrawn by the middle of February.
I totally agree, we have to get these manipulative, lifetime-tenured lawyers out of government.
Lot of smart people here. A couple are too "smart" to learn new things. Just ignore them.
A true Objectivist candidate would be ripped to shreds by the media as heartless and mean spirited. I don't anticipate any such critter to ever show up for the contest.
Still waiting for the Ivory Tower to weigh in. My guess is, they can't deal with this necessary compromise.
If you are one welfare, you should not be able to vote in any election following a period you accepted welfare. Why are you voting? You are a parasite.
Welfare should not be a handout. It should be transformed to a publicly funded, privately executed programs (not plural) to train, educate and get people self-sufficient, with appropriate incentives for getting people off welfare long-term.
There will be a group that can not be brought to self-sufficiency, or will resist it. Those need to be in a home, again, privately run.
This would have a massive effect on poverty, which will have a massive effect on crime, and gun violence (70% of which is among the poor, with handguns, not ARs).
Perhaps the answer would be for government to establish a minimal budget each year, then add a percentage for the care of the members of the "can not" population. The "will not" portion should be denied assistance and separated from the general population to feed, like the cannibals they are, off of each other or become hunter-gatherers). We put Indians on reservations; perhaps we should have the same for the "will nots." Then let them earn their way off the reservation, if they're so inclined.
That said, I was an early Trump supporter because every choice in the last 40 years has been socialist vs socialist lite. There is almost no difference between the two major parties at this point. A Populist on the other hand, is more likely to support more individualist policies than either of them.
From a practical perspective he has been far more effective than I expected given the resistance arrayed against him. From every direction.
I liked Cruz.
Trump was not beholden to anyone and didn't not need to enrich himself...he did not need a job and he, a businessman, that had to deal with all the bureaucratic idiots, knew exactly what needed to be cleaned up and what creatures needed to be held accountable.
All toll, it was our best choice, not perfect, but our best alternative.
As to your questions: I think the key phrase in your first two questions are “we could have gotten elected”.
If the American People were going to vote for someone enthusiastically, it had to be someone from the outside who spoke truth to power, didn’t care about political games, and who would challenge the power structure and the status quo. Enter Donald Trump. The above is some of the reasons he got elected. I firmly believe that were it not for him we would have President Hillary.
What should we do to improve our freedom? We should vote out every office holder from Congress on down, and replace them with non-lawyers and ordinary citizens who have common sense.
The very fact that he's NOT "presidential" and he doesn't do things "the correct way," is, in the vernacular, a feature, not a bug, as far as I am concerned.
I am not a super-politically-knowledgeable person. I have gotten more so since I joined the Gulch, but I still have a long way to go.
All of which is why I didn't answer when you first asked the question.
In the absence of input, we should assume the Gulch overwhelmingly supports Trump. Excellent. Then all other discussions are academic.
Anyone else want to weigh in, or just let the conclusion stand?
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