GOP holding economy hostage on debt

Posted by gblaze47 11 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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And the blame game goes on, I cannot imagine why anyone elected this guy for a second term.
SOURCE URL: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/15/opinion/rothkopf-obama-gop-debt-ceiling/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


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  • Posted by fivedollargold 11 years, 2 months ago
    Everything is a crisis with this administration. And Ovomit is utterly devoid of crisis management skills, much less leadership in general. Of course, this was entirely predictable given that he's never managed anything of significance.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 2 months ago
    If you have the constitutional authority to control the debt ceiling, you have a responsibility with choices to be made. If you have no choice as Mr. Obama frames the argument, then what do we have a debt ceiling for? There is no logic in the position he posits. He claims the house is obstructionist and irresponsible because they are inflexible while he issues ultimatums of inflexibility regarding the debt limit and real spending cuts, and the MSM make no note of the double standard! The house has a constitutional duty to see that our nation is not bankrupt! Oh well, too late that ship already sailed, but our president is oblivious… Why are the social engineers devoid of basic math skills?
    Regards,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 2 months ago
      I don't believe logic is something the Libs follow, just like common sense. Sharp observation and articulation on your part. Thanks.
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      • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago
        Read "rules for Radicals"

        Rule 4a) Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. Conservatives have a tendency to try to win every debate with logic and recitations of facts which, all too often, fail to get the job done because emotions and mockery are often just as effective as reason. The good news is that liberals almost never have logic on their side; so they're incapable of rationally making the case for their policies while conservatives can become considerably more effective debaters by simply adding some emotion-based arguments and sheer scorn to their discourse.
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        • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 2 months ago
          Hello gblaze47,
          It is too bad that people with fact based arguments must resort to the level of the ad hominem attacks of the opposition. That being said, it seems since so many of our fellow citizens haven’t developed beyond the playground level of dispute resolution, some of the same may need to be dished out just to get a proper argument in edgewise.
          Regards,
          O.A.
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          • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago
            I totally agree, It's been to long since we've had reasonable discussion in our political party's. With that said, this is a form of war-fare, the average person responds to emotional arguments. So we need to use whatever we can to win this.
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 2 months ago
        Hello UncommonSense,
        Quite right, I often wonder if it is related to right –left dominant brain hemisphere. There seems to be a lot of people who select emotion over reason…
        Regards,
        O.A.
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        • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago
          so you're suggesting there is a genetic component? I've always found that the higher the economic freedom index, the more "reasonable" people behave. I also think people tend to act with reason over emotion when things are coming out of their own pocket as opposed to their neighbors'
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          • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 2 months ago
            Hello khalling,
            I don’t know if it is a genetic component (if it is it does not necessarily need to be hereditary) or a matter of socialization, but I do know that I encounter many Americans from all different strata that seem to display cognitive dissonance relative to facts that contradict their predilections. Whereas many other people are open minded enough to listen to and change their positions when confronted with contradictory information. I do agree that it would seem that more people come to right thinking when they are spending their own money, and in an environment that is conducive.
            I know there is a Dr. Lyle H. Rossiter, if memory serves who has written a book about his studies of the Liberal mind and has called it “madness”.
            Regards,
            O.A.
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            • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago
              OA,
              the reason why I ask this. There are many who believe there is a genetic component whereby the thrive (for lack of a better word) gene is somehow suppressed or latent.
              I don't buy that. Man has the need to survive, the only way to do so is with your brain. I do agree that cultural influences are huge and I believe that our public education system has been successful in indoctrinating 2 generations of US citizens. Unless, their parents home schooled, or have been very vigilant, these kids(now adults) have gone from K-grad school learning A=B.
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              • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 2 months ago
                Khalling,
                I understand. People make choices in order to survive. Some produce and some ride in the wagon. Regarding the genetic component, I would not venture an opinion as I feel unqualified in this subject without further study more than to say that some of us are right handed and some of us are left. Humans naturally having unequal talents in various capacities are naturally going to have unequal cognition. It is irrational to expect equal outcomes. However education is a great equalizer to a significant degree for those without mental abnormalities, if education, as opposed to indoctrination is employed.
                Regards,
                O.A.
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                • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 2 months ago
                  Here is something I'd like to throw out there, just based on my own experiences. I am ambidextrous. It is actually quite beneficial when used in my capacity as an artist. Depending on the medium I'm using, and what I'm trying to achieve, I switch hands. I never was cognizant of it until it was pointed out by a professor in college. I was also of a more left leaning bent, then, though not an indoctrinated democrat. Never held with social systems designed to keep people impoverished in perpetuity.

                  But the more of the world I examined and experienced, the more it showed my rational and moral approach to life was diametrically opposed to what was spouted by the left. My mom was also a staunch democrat, but I think that came from her generation. She was a member of NOW. She worked on Capitol Hill for years, and that was what finally radically altered how she viewed both parties. She was in the court reporter/transcriber office on the Hill. When she died 10 1/2 years ago, she was quite the republican!

                  After that long winded explanation, maybe my ambidexterity allowed for my own views to be rational and thought out, rather that reactionary? I would love to explore this a bit more myself.
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                  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago
                    whoa. you could have asked for disability. :)
                    People hold this author in high esteem, partly based on this book, A Farewell to Alms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Cla...). I think it's a bunch of BS personally, but you can kinda go with it for awhile. and that is why I asked OA his thoughts on that. I believe it is a mix of cultural and legislative pushes telling one group of people they deserve something. Groups are key here. the more you can define a group, the more you can isolate, pit against, placate, elevate, push down, etc. it keeps a very small group in power while that infighting is going on. and people aren't productive while they're navigating how the system works to support or undermine their group.
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                    • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 2 months ago
                      Yes, “Group Think” is no doubt a significant part of the problem. Much of our present education and political systems are geared toward that end and the corollary the diminution of individualism.
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                      • Posted by 11 years, 2 months ago
                        For all the vaunted intelligence the left has, they fail to understand that creativity and thus innovation comes about from different mindsets, not the same. When everyone thinks the same, they all come up with the same ideas.
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                    • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 2 months ago
                      I can't mooch like that, though. And you're absolutely correct about separating the herd. No one deserves anything they haven't earned, legally and morally. This is something I emphasize over and over to my kids. I hope it will guide them in their dealings with the world around them.
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                      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago
                        I hope they're arguing these topics with their friends and maybe even aunts and uncles. you would NOT believe our dinner table, and we're all basically on the same side. there was that global warming digression by one faction of the family,...
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                  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 2 months ago
                    Hello Non_mooching_artist,
                    One of my younger brothers is ambidextrous. I used to be jealous because my left hand seemed so clumsy. I would curse its nature. It seemed so unnatural to do anything with it. Now after decades of guitar playing I have trained my left hand to a degree that I find much more tolerable.
                    Have you made note of how many left handed presidents we have had. It is a number far in excess of statistical probability.
                    Here is something interesting.
                    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
                    Regards,
                    O.A.
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                    • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 2 months ago
                      I just read that, and thanks for the link! It was an interesting read. I've always had high visual-motor skills.

                      One of the strategies I taught my kids when they were little, and continue to do now, slightly modified for the application, was when we would read I-Spy books together, if they got stumped, I told them to turn the book upside down. Change your perspective. They loved it, and delighted in the fact that the new perspective allowed them to see things they didn't directly perceive the first time. It do it now by asking them to put themselves in different situations. Think first, use your brains and find a logical solution.
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