Galt's Gulch

Why Islam is incompatible with the principles of free thought

Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago to Philosophy
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I can support the freedom of religion only insofar as a religion respects the right of free will and free thought. I can not respect a religion that uses force or coercion like this. It is antithetical to not only the Constitution, but to all who value the freedom of thought and expression.
SOURCE URL: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/07/21/isis-christians-mosul-leave-convert-islam-or-die

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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 9 months ago
    After 9-11 and prior to writing any commentary on Islam I read several books on Islam. The ones that I found most helpful were those by Scholar Bernhard Lewis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lew...) who lectures and wrote numerous books on Islam.

    Islam is COMPLETELY incompatible with the US Constitution and our way of life. All thing in Islam, good or bad, success or failure, are of allah and lying, murdering, slaughtering and deception are just fine against non-islamic people in the effort to subjugate them.
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 9 years, 9 months ago
    The Qu'ran teaches those who are Christian or Jewish are to be respected as 'People of the Book'. They are not to be enslaved or killed unless they transgress against Qu'ran or a Muslim. Churches and synagogues are not to be destroyed but new ones may not be built or old ones repaired. Those not converting to Islam are to be taxed via the jizyah. The caveat to this is there is no set limit on the amount of the jizyah. It is to be set high enough so the person subjected will either be reduced to poverty, leave or convert to Islam. What ISIS is practicing is Islam in its most virulent form. IMHO, the only cure for such virulence is excision and cauterization.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago
      In the initial surrahs (sp), this may have been the case, but in the later ones (usually deemed to be more authoritative by the mullahs), they turn away from any semblance of tolerance and all non-Muslims are considered to be "infidels". The surrahs (sp) go on further to say that _any_ actions are viable in persuading infidels to convert to Islam - including outright deceit, political subversion, and forcible coercion itself. It is these later edicts that not only the violent adherents, but the clerical leaders themselves support.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 9 months ago
    Keep in mind here, it is not the religious part of islam that every non-muslim needs to be concerned about. The religious part doesn't concern the infidel, or kaffir.

    It's the POLITICAL and MILITANT aspect of islam we need to be EDUCATED and CONCERNED about. It is those two tenants that are bringing the non-muzzies to their deaths. The religious part is a non-factor.
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 9 months ago
    Religion is just a tool used to exercise political power, this has been going on since the beginning of time. These douche bags would be doing the same thing using Islam or Christianity, or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I don't give a crap about what their religion happens to say, it's all a bunch of fairy tales to me anyway. What I do care about is that these people use it to justify their systematic destruction of other people (both literal and in a figurative sense). If we start focusing on the root of the problem which is a bunch of idiots trying to grab power by force and mooch off of their respective societies. The only ones that can put them in their place and take away their power are the people that support them. If not, we just end up with one dying so that five more pop up and continue right where that douche bag left off.
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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 9 months ago
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ju...
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    Iraqi Christians .... flee the northern city of Mosul under threat of forced conversion or execution.... homes and property confiscated. Monks....allowed to take only the clothes they were wearing.
    "There is not a single Christian family left in Mosul. The last one was a disabled Christian woman. .... They came to her and said you have to get out and if you don't we will cut off your head with a sword. "They took our money, gold, even the earrings from their [women's] ears. They took everything, even mobile phones"
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    Islamic State (Isis) militants have blown up a revered Muslim shrine traditionally said to be the burial place of the prophet Jonah in Mosul
    Comment: A similar regime took power in 1933.
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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 9 months ago
    Yes. But - I read that the church is 1.800 years old. So it and its community existed thru all the regimes over that period.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago
      I'm not sure which "church" you are referring to in specific, as Mohammed wasn't even born until 570 AD. Though the Arabian peninsula was "converted' during the early 600's, their influence didn't really permeate Persia until the 800's, and Egypt about the same time. Then they warred with nation after nation, including the Byzantines, the Turks, and many others, supplanting the governments of those areas with caliphates. The other thing to note was the differing administrations of Islam and their claims to authority which still persist today in the sects of Shia, Sunni, and Wahab (and Baath if you want to get technical). Their history has been a long and bloody reign of occupation and forced conversion.

      What most people don't understand is that the Crusades were more about pushing back the Islamic hordes from taking over Europe than they were about the Holy Land. Vienna was one of the centers of influence and they banded with several other southern European players to field a massive navy and army to fend off the impending Islamic incursions they knew were coming. Some very interesting historical stuff.
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      • Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 9 months ago
        You are correct. Also, everybody remembers who Vlad The Impaler is right? Yeah, the inspiration for Dracula. Well, Western Civilization has much to like him: it was he who stopped the islamic hordes from invading and taking over western europe. Does anyone here know how Vlad got his grotesque ideas on impaling & other torturous monstrosities? He was held captive by....anyone? Muzzies. How did he stop them? He used the terror he learned from them on them. 20k impaled muzzies is what the islamic hordes looked at as they marched towards his castle...yep. They turned back.

        Vlad would be disgusted today if he knew what has become of europe.

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      • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 9 months ago
        Blarman: from the Fox article: "ISIS is reportedly forcing Christians out of Iraq’s second largest city and has torched an 1,800-year-old church."
        This suggests that: over the past ~1200 years previous Islamic regimes in that area were not as violent as the current one. and, going by the rule of land ownership used by the Islamists, the Christians were there first so it belongs to them.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago
          Don't know much about the history of Iraq, so I can't confirm or deny without more homework (darn!). The history of Islam, however, is replete with piracy, coercive takeover of entire regions either through force or forced diplomacy. It's hard to find a time when they weren't at war with some culture - even when periodically it has been their own.

          I think the incident does highlight two important aspects of ISIS' mentality: a distinct intolerance of others' ideas, the militancy required to intentionally destroy them, and a regional government that is powerless to do anything to stop them. To me, that is a very threatening combination of elements to anyone who still resides in the area and a potent reminder to the rest of us how fortunate we are to live in a land that still (mostly) wouldn't permit that kind of thing.
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