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Cleaning the Oceans of Plastic

Posted by CTYankee 6 years, 9 months ago to Science
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I have begun a project intended to clear the oceans of the multiple 'Great Garbage Patches' in the East & West Pacific, North & South Atlantic, etc. I would like to get my fellow Gulcher's opinion on the merit and level of interest such a project might inspire.

The prolem of ocean plastic does seem quite remote to my life. This past weekend I made the mistake of watching a documentary which highlighted the plight of ocean animals unfortunate enough to occupy the stretches of ocean which humans have polluted.

Birds, mammals, fish, and the rest of the sea life are ingesting bits of this garbage, and it is becoming lodged in their guts. The animals are starving to death with their abdomens full of this indigestible material. It was disturbing to see.

More importantly, the plastics tend to leach numerous 'toxic' materials (I'll leave the issue of the actual toxicity out for now) which tend to concentrate in the higher animals as we move up the food chain, this is not new science, but long established fact.

Putting all emotional factors aside, I am interested in the general perception here of a project -- INDEPENDENTLY FUNDED -- (of course) which consists of building a fleet of 300 mechanical whales, whose sole purpose if to swim the oceans, eating the garbage.

Scientific reports and commercial observations put the mass of garbage in one of the Pacific gyres at 750,000 tons, spread out over an area the size of Texas 250,000 square miles.

Each of the 'whales' I propose constructing would cost in the range of $500k with a length of ~35 meters (115 ft). These behemoths would 'swim' slowly, just below the surface, constantly sucking in the top two meters of sea water, much like it's biological counterparts.

Putting the whole effort into perspective: Each mouthful of water would on average contain the food equivalent of 280kCal of 'nutrition' meaning the energy that this 'creature' needs to swim into the next mouthful of garbage.

Borrowing from nature, I have done several energy balance analyses. I concluded that the passive technique of filter feeding is the only possible way to make a self sustaining machine capable of processing even these tiny pockets of contaminated oceans.

And here is where the Objectivist in me needs opinions pro & con. These devices will not collect anything during their 15 year missions. they will swim, and they will eat. None of the plastic will be harvested for resale, reuse, recycling, etc, it will be pyrolyzed, and burned as fuel to power the machine.

So unless the benefits of a cleaner ocean can be monetized, this project lacks one of the key factors of an economically viable enterprise.

Of course there is money to be made by the shipworks that builds the fleet. So it's not a total giveaway.

I eagerly await comments from my fellow Gulchers. Either way. Regardless of the consensus of division reached here I will be starting a crowd-funding campaign to build a prototype in the coming days & weeks.

Thank you all.


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  • Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In the context of 'plastic in the oceans': How do landfills have a bearing?

    Jan
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  • Posted by 6 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem of 'source' is so much bigger than 'storm drains' -- it's the landfills.

    As to marine life -- I'm more worried about barnacles than sharks.
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  • Posted by rhfinle 6 years, 9 months ago
    How is this thing going to avoid picking up the floating rafts of sargasso, jellyfish, and other surface dwelling sea life? It seems to me there will have to be some sort of intelligent selection mechanism.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would expect some interference from actual marine life - whales, sharks, etc. I assume that your escape mechanism would also trigger if a real whale approached one of your craft...but I am less certain of what the result would be.

    One of the other aspects of this problem - one easier to control is that the source of much of the plastic is from urban storm drains. If there were coarse screens on the storm drains, much of the source of the problem might be removed.

    Jan
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah. We're not perfect but most of the first world is pretty good about egregious pollution. Poor third-world countries are not.

    The film I saw toured a 'land-fill' in the Philippines. The mountain of garbage was 160 feet high and covered dozens of square miles. The filth was palpable and I swore I could smell the burning stench. Many areas of the mountain were emitting great lingering clouds of smoke & steam as fires tunneled their way into the piles. The proximity of the landfill to the sea was intentional. the planners actually expected the degraded garbage to flow out with the tides.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, salt-water aka sea-water batteries generally use Magnesium and iron plates. They are primary batteries which once activated are run to exhaustion. Many moons ago I worked on an Aluminum-Air battery for Alcan. These also used normal salt-water brine and were meant to operate continuously for a week, and be kicked overboard. The damn things were mostly chalk filled polystyrene. Fortunately(?) they were heavy enough to sink in the harbors. At the time we thought we were doing a good thing. The Al-Air battery was to be a once-a-week replacement to a once-a-day 6-volt lantern battery - which had to be kicked overboard every evening.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We just toss it in the trash and never think about where it goes. I always thought it went into landfills. How does it get into the oceans ? Or is it mostly from other countries?
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, it probably would. But that's an academic issue. The problem is that it's really inexpensive to carelessly toss garbage into the rivers any let the tides flush it away. People are disgusting dirty animals!
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can't "make energy from electrolysis." You can recover a small fraction of the energy that went into refining the metals you plan to dissolve into the ocean. But the payback will be negative.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm going to try crowdfunding. It seems like the type of feel good project that can succeed in that environment.
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  • Posted by floreo 6 years, 9 months ago
    So, where does the capital come from to fund the construction of the "whales" in this solution?
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ever think of making electricity from electrolysis?
    I have been thinking about making large batteries in the ocean right off the beach at Hospice in Branford.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sounds like the energy contained in the trash now dumped into the oceans would be worth MORE if just collected and dealt with before its unloaded into the ocean. Maybe extract the energy at the landfills before burying it also
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Whether they like it or not, the garbage is already out there. The pollution is already in the water. The metallic toxins are in the food chain.

    I think the single biggest complaint the 'rabid environmentalists' will have is that in 15 years they'll lose one of their cause célèbre. We'll see.

    I agree, the really disgusting part of the problem comes from asia, the philippines, indonesia, etc. Where garbage in the slums just flows into the ocean.

    But the rest of the problem is stuff falling off ships. I cite 'rubber duckies' jokingly and seriously. But fishing nets, buoys, and the flotsam & jetsam of civilization is all out there!
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My friend told me that "PETA" is an acronym for "People Eating Tasty Animals" -- but I digress.

    I would hope that Greenpeace and all the rest of the eco-warriors would choose to endorse this project. While I have great confidence in my engineering skills and my ability to make my whales physically manifest on reality, I'm also not kidding myself to suggest that there is money to be made in their operation.

    They do not harvest any natural (I don't consider floating garbage to be natural) resources. They will collect data, but I do not know if the data each whale would collect over its 15 year lifespan is worth the cost of construction. They are also very slow and ponderous. There's not enough energy in the 'food' they swallow for them to 'swim' under power. They have fins to control their direction and orientation, and bladders to manage buoyancy. The move in the direction the mouth ingests and the tail exhausts. (I just didn't want to call them jellyfish.)
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but the surplus is only a few thousand Joules per 'swallow' of ocean. The 'gut' where the water & fuel are separated is 100ft long and 5ft wide. 2500 cu. ft or 75 tons of of ocean!

    It all comes down to numbers. There is actually more Platinum in a shovelfull of road gravel then there is energy in all that water. The buoyancy of water works on my favor here... {ha-ha}

    But hey. I'm an optimist too. Maybe the beast swims into a particularly dirty patch of water and even after summoning its mates, all the tanks are full of oil.

    The single logistics challenge then becomes: Can a barge be deployed 3,000 miles out to sea to pickup say a quarter million gallons of oil? Or if the value of that endeavor too small to justify the voyage? I dunno.

    Chances are that the economics won't support the expedition/pickup. In that case the whales can actually switch into higher gear. Clean faster, and be done with the job sooner.

    And this is why I love spreadsheets. ;^)
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They will be autonomous. Other than having the ability to communicate with each other and report their results and various bits of sensor data, they're not intended to bring anything back to land.

    While the amount of plastic waste out there is enormous, it's scattered so far and wide that recovery would be a fool's errand. I spent a day building a spreadsheet to compute the energy contained in all the waste in all the water. The ratio was very small.

    So I worked out how much energy there was in the biggest 'swallow' of water I could reasonably capture in an oceangoing sluice-box.

    Then I started computing the energy necessary to push that water through the screens in a reasonable amount of time ~ 5 minutes, wasting as little power as possible.

    I computed how much water the debris would entrain in its wet goopiness, and how much water I could evaporate with the remaining available energy after the filtering cost.

    More of the energy in the fuel is consumed by pyrolyzing the long polymers into gases & liquids. and then only a fraction of that fuel energy is converted into electricity by the Diesel genset.

    At the bottom of the spreadsheet I had a TINY positive remainder of energy! Not much, but in nature, huge energy surpluses are rare. Bringing it home would take more energy in new fuel oil than the yield in recycled oil recovered. It's a poor strategy.

    There is just enough 'food' out there in the garbage patch gyres to support my population of whales for 15 years. After that, like 99.9% of all species that ever evolved, they will starve, die and go 'extinct' {sniff}.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 9 months ago
    Is this thing going to be piloted or remote controlled?...
    Looks to me the only way you could profit would be selling the beast to other countries for the same use in their areas.
    But, what has me scratching my head is why haven't we recycled the plastic back into the oil is was made from...from the beginning?
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 9 months ago
    I would think that more energy would be harvested than it took to move the thing around and burn up the plastic.
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  • Posted by mgarbizo1 6 years, 9 months ago
    Sounds ridiculous to think, but you might get some push back from Peta and the likes if they want to say you are disrupting ecosystems or killing the sea life that gets ensared by these trash items as your mechanical whales perform their intended purpose. I think you're on to something though.
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 6 years, 9 months ago
    There are thousands of buoys in the oceans that simply collect data on weather, water temperature, air temperature, etc. I would think your whales could also collect data that would be valuable to someone.
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