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Public Education is evil because...

Posted by j_IR1776wg 10 years, 7 months ago to Education
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I'll start.

Public Education is evil because it assumes that parents are too stupid or too lazy to educate their children and, therefore, the State must compel them to do so.

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  • Posted by fosterj717 10 years, 7 months ago
    It is now absolutely evil because in our governments infinite wisdom, national education has embraced the Hegelian model (the same as Nazis Germany and Stalinist Russia) whereas reading writing and arithmetic has been replace by indoctrination (kids know everything about Arbor day, Environmentalism and all liberal stances). This has been the case since 1963 and Ayn Rand would be fully aware of this fact. Brainwashing anyone???
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago
    Well in many cases, there are quite often parents who do genuinely lack the knowledge, education, and skills that are necessary to provide their children with a quality education (this primarily applies to people who live in poverty). If children were only ever taught by their parents, then the child's education would be limited by the parent's scope of knowledge. Now if the parent is exceptionally educated, and the child plans on going into the same career field as his or her parent, that's not a problem. But if the parent is poor and uneducated, or if the child wants to pursue a different career path than the one the parent chose, then the child will need to obtain an education from a source other than the parent.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 7 months ago
      Not true. There is infinite resources available to teach children basic skills and any other skills you or they may be interested in learning. Parents need to take the initiative and see the importance of teaching their children, and teaching themselves in the process. Like anything else in life...if there's a will, there's a way.
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      • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago
        I agree that parents SHOULD provide their children with the proper resources and knowledge, but what people should do and what they actually do are not always in alignment. Certainly the upper and middle class members of society seem to fair pretty well, but what about the lower income classes? They often don't have access to the same kind of private resources that are available to the more prosperous members of society.
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        • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
          There never was nor will there ever be a society in every individual has the exact same things as every other member of that society. If you think me wrong, please provide evidence.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
      Which is why I think a combination of home-schooling and private schools would work best for the children. Just as we have chevys and mercedes in cars, we would have the same in private schools.
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      • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago
        Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Would private schools have the ability to educate the same number of people as the public school system, and do it without the parents having to pay anything?
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        • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
          "...and do it without the parents having to pay anything?" You raise a broader issue here than education. I beleive that welfare is the new plantation. Instead of a racist slave owner, we have racist bureaucrats who serve the same function, namely to keep the poor from rising up the economic ladder. All parents pay for "free" Public Education if not directly by taxes then by lost economic opportunities.
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          • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago
            In what way does a public education create lost economic opportunities?
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            • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
              Private schools would teach specific marketable skills. Parents would decide which schools to send their children to. Not the Common Core, cookie-cutter, treat all students alike socialistic approach used by public education.
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              • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago
                Well, there are certain skills which do need to be universally taught to everyone. The education system is divided into two basic categories: academic and professional. Professional education is where you learn the marketable skills that you'll use in your particular field (doctors go to med school, lawyers go to law school, etc.). But you can't forget or discredit the academic side of education, either. That's where you learn basic things like reading, writing, math, and history. General subjects like that need to be taught to everybody.
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                • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 7 months ago
                  "That's where you learn basic things like reading, writing, math, and history. General subjects like that need to be taught to everybody."

                  And that is where the public school system has lost it's way.

                  I can't get the image of the prosecution's star witness against Zimmerman, out of my mind: a high school senior, that couldn't write, or even read, cursive.
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                  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago
                    I think that's more a result of computers becoming more widely available. With computer access being so common, cursive writing has become a depreciated skill in modern society, and is no longer important.
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                    • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 7 months ago
                      I have to believe that you are kidding, since you listed writing as a basic skill...along with reading.

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                      • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago
                        Reading and writing are important, yes, but cursive is not. Cursive is not automatically included in reading and writing any more than calligraphy is.
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                        • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 7 months ago
                          Then how do you write out a shopping list. or take notes in class?

                          How do you make out a check, or 'jot' down a date or address?

                          If you are interviewing a potential employee, would you expect them to be able to write, and read, a handwritten note?
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                          • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago
                            Since when does "handwritten" automatically equate to "cursive"? You are aware that it's possible to write things by hand without writing in cursive, right?
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                            • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 7 months ago
                              You can print everything, but that is slow and unproductive.

                              My employees responded to my scribbled out instructions on a daily basis, and I have never known anyone that could neither write, or read, cursive. Such a person would never collect a paycheck in my business.

                              In my opinion, if you can't at least read cursive handwriting, then you are pretty much unemployable.

                              You are arguing for the dumbing down of our children....
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                • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
                  This is confusing to me. The mistake that all socialists make vis-a-vis education is that everyone is capable of being a doctor, laywer, or computer engineer. Nature, however, makes some of us carpenters, plumbers, farmers, and auto mechanics. Dewey, the NEA, and Common Core are all dissing math, reading, and history in favor of social skills. We need to abolish Public Educartion NOW!
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                  • Posted by $ Stormi 10 years, 7 months ago
                    You get it! Common Core is the last nail in the coffin for the Constitution and Capitalism (which no longer exists by any Randian definition).
                    The whole college thing is a smoke screen, to get academically unprepared students into four years of college for more socialist brainwashing. Noting more, they do not want a thinking rational people to escape.They actually told our daughter in high school that college was for "socializing", not for learning. The more money we feed into gov't. schools, the less likely it is to reform, which I personally do not feel will happen anyway. Gov't schools are evil gulogs.
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                    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
                      Yes. When I was a youngster, the communists would take dissidents and send them to "re-education camps". Maybe you and I will meet in one.
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                      • Posted by $ Stormi 10 years, 7 months ago
                        Maybe will will have to find our own "gulch", where reasons reigns.
                        I read "Brainwashing in Red China", which served as inspiration and guidance to the US Communist Party.
                        They ultimately taught getting psychologist, but not good ones, involved in the lives of as many children as possible. They also taught, "Set teens wild in the streets." This is what teaching them no right or wrong and to ignore the values of their elders is doing..
                        As mentioned in another post, the writer mentioned the Common Core curriculum and how it will decide if the children are right thinking, or need to be "re-educated", based on what the one world politicians want them to think.
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                        • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
                          Yes. But take heart no enemy is invincible.
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                          • Posted by $ Stormi 10 years, 7 months ago
                            During the 15 years I have been fighting the increasing evilness of government schools, starting with outcome based ed to the current Common Core, I have seen parents show more and more apathy. I have written countless letters to the editor, overcome the Delphi Technique when appointed to a committee, and even became the local paper's school education reporter for a while.
                            Communism, Marxism, or socialism are patient and never ceasing enemies of reason.
                            I have seen the IQ of teachers decline, just as has the IQ of students. By high school, we learned our daughter's IQ was well above that of most of the teachers in the system. It made her lazy and yet susceptible to their social brainwashing.
                            Invincible, no. But as long as parents continue to accept that employees of public schools know best, and they are not capable of making decisions for their children, nothing will change. The intelligence in this country continues to decline, and that is what gov't. wants, despite their protest to the contrary.
                            Just as few are watching the direction of UN Agenda 21 in this country, even after the prez promised to implement it, even as local communites move forward with it. It will change the whole way we live, take property rights, but no one is watching. It has nothing to do with the environment, and everything to do with control, just as the school issue does.
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                  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago
                    You're saying that careers are determined by genetics? Seriously?

                    (Also, I'm not a socialist.)
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                    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
                      The sum total of what we are is nature and nurture.Do you really believe that anyone can be anything they want to be just by wishing it so?
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                      • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago
                        Well not just by wishing, no. You have to make an active effort to accomplish your goals. But if you make that effort, and you don't have some kind of debilitating handicap, then yes, you can eventually achieve anything you set out to do if you're determined enough.
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        • Posted by khalling 10 years, 7 months ago
          if my property tax portion for schools was in my pocket I guarantee you I would pay a little extra for set asides for the less fortunate. private schools educate for much less cost per student than public schools.
          we live in an information society. even poor families have some access to the internet. Libraries give away books when they receive new editions. Magazines are in every waiting room. You can learn to read by your teacher having nothing more than a stick and dirt. People are naturally inquisitive, looking at the world outside of their parents' eyes is the norm not the exception. Anyone at any age seeking knowledge, usually finds some
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          • Posted by $ Stormi 10 years, 7 months ago
            Oh naive one. It goes to brainwashing. No matter what is out there, the gov't schools have a captive audience for hours each day. Worse, they employ pseudo-psychologists to help, as is suggested in most communist manuals. When our daughter was in sixth grade, I discovered the psychologist was taking over every sixth grade class once per week, teacher kicked out. She then used subliminal tapes, Maslow group therapy and even hypnosis on these young kids. On classmate attempted suicide after a group therapy session. Our tax dollars at work. Academics, if there was time.
            When several mothers approached the school board, no one saw a problem. Finally, we were enough of a problem for them, that they moved the moron psychologist - to the high school - tenure issue prohibited firing.I passed out copies of "Anthem" to any of the kids in my daughters class who wanted one that year, along with offers of any wanting "Brave New World."
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  • Posted by weewilly 10 years, 7 months ago
    We (all of us) have abdicated out responsibilities as parents, mentors, and role models to our off-spring in search or the golden prosperity - and by doing such, have sunk the hope of tomorrow in the lives of our children becoming responsible producing citizens . . . IMHO
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  • Posted by msmith55 10 years, 7 months ago
    Public Education has become evil because it has become a method of brain washing our childern into believing that big Government is good and the solution to all problems in society. It enforces atheism as the state religion. It no longer teaches the virtures of capitalism.
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    • Posted by $ Stormi 10 years, 7 months ago
      You are so right. Schools teach anti-capitalism, while telling students to seek the six figure incomes "they deserve". Schizo system. They do NOT teach them about hard work and responsibility to do a good job. Even the public meetings with parents involve the use of the Delphi Technique to manipulate and brainwash parents to give them the results they want. Atheism is applauded, while tolerance and even exercises involving other religions are encouraged. They learn there is no right and wrong. We studied Columbine two years before the tragedy there, and said the outcome based ed used there would lead to bad things. It was worse even than we anticipated.
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  • Posted by spanishteach 10 years, 7 months ago
    As a secondary teacher in the public school system right now, I can tell you that while it is not evil at the moment, it will become that very shortly. Public education is at a tipping point in the U.S. Public education was created by the socialists in the 19th century primarily to socialize Irish immigrants: teach them English and a protestant-esque work style and ethic. That early system served the U.S. very well. Each individual community determined what was and was not important for their own children to learn. Now that ability for communities to make that determination has been stripped away. The reality is that parents/taxpayers have little to no say in what happens in their neighborhood schools (which they are not even allowed to enter freely). That right has been given to the government, and I do mean "given." When parents and communities started caring more about the athletics (which are important) than they did about what goes on in their child's classroom and said that standardized tests (written by our government) were the way to decide how well our kids are doing, those parents and communities gave away their control of their schools. The Department of Education now tells me and my colleagues what we will teach and, to an extent, how we will teach it. Curriculum is one thing though---the worst is on its way. There is now a push for "Character Education." Schools are now determining what characteristics are good for society and which ones are not. One presenter to my district defined an idiot as someone who is more interested in their own good than the good of the community. And she honestly believed that. Unfortunately most educators have never held a job outside of education and have no concept of the idea that what is good for the individual is, in fact, good for the community. Because they have no concept or understanding of this they cannot teach it or demonstrate it. Be aware ladies and gentlemen, socialism is in our schools and is now running our schools. Don't believe me? Take a day and go to your neighborhood school whether you kids go there or not; sit in on some classes; talk to the teachers. I would dearly love to be wrong, but in my district, I am not. I teach in public schools, but my kids will not attend them.
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    • Posted by $ Stormi 10 years, 7 months ago
      Thank you for confirming what I saw as my daughter went through gov't school. She now home schools her kids.
      Reagan tried to get rid of the Dept. of Ed., but the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) would not allow it. They said they needed it. Right, needed it to brainwash enough generations to get the one world socialism they so desperately needed.
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    • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 7 months ago
      Thank you for your post. Local control seems to be the key but with Common Core and everything else being pushed on us these days I doubt that we will see it again. Best of luck to you.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
      "One presenter to my district defined an idiot as someone who is more interested in their own good than the good of the community"

      For what it is worth, paragraph 2 of John Dewey's My Pedigogic Creed reads in part "Through these demands he is stimulated to act as a member of a unity, to emerge from his original narrowness of action and feeling and to conceive of himself from the standpoint of the welfare of the group to which he belongs." The full version can be found at http://dewey.pragmatism.org/creed.htm
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  • Posted by patricking 10 years, 7 months ago
    Parents may also be too busy making a living to teach their kids. They may also not have enough information themselves. The usefulness of public education is that children encounter people with social, economic and informational backgrounds beyond the scope of their families.

    People raised at home, trained at home and educated at home have a very narrow scope of the world. Errors, rather than eradicated are reinforced. It takes a very unusual and financially secure parent to personally prepare a child for university. Even when successful the child lacks the kind of personal interactions achieved by his conventionally educated peers.
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    • Posted by $ johnrobert2 10 years, 7 months ago
      Ah, yes. Unfortunately, the public education system has become a testing ground for governmental interference in familial matters, intrusive to an alarming degree. Even though my daughter is a senior in HS and has attended this school since 2007, we still get forms sent from the school inquiring as to our financial, working, and domicile status. Whether her mother and I are married or not, how often we may have moved, whether her mother or I are involved in agricultural or fishery work. These things are none of their damn business. Our child goes to school clean, well dressed and well behaved. She is a B+ student and has taken a leadership role in establishing an Art Club for students so inclined. That is what they should be interested in, not that other claptrap. (Funny, that word has taken on a new life in here). Anyway, I have three nephews who were homeschooled. All are extremely intelligent, one of whom has offered full- ride scholarships to do his medical research doctorate at Rice University (for one) and others. So far as I know, he is a well-adjusted kid, able to socialize with the best of them.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
      "Errors, rather than eradicated are reinforced" Are these errors being eradicated in the schools?

      "People raised at home, trained at home and educated at home have a very narrow scope of the world" Do you really beleive that the Public Schools are proving a wider scope? They are teaching non-reason..
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 7 months ago
      That's the assumption, but it doesn't prove to be true. As for the having to work excuse. We all have to earn a living. This is about priorities. Do you want your kids taught that wrong is right and right is wrong, up is down etc?? Kids are their parents' responsibility and it's their job to make sure they are properly educated (just like being properly fed). There are other and better ways to get interaction with peers. Being part of a herded blob is not conducive to learning. It becomes assimilate or be an outcast. Outcast for being an individual who doesn't want to conform. Everyone must comply. blaht.
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  • Posted by PeterAsher 10 years, 7 months ago
    I would suggest that any assumption “that parents are too stupid or too lazy to educate their children and, therefore, the State must compel them to do so” is a current phenomenon of Liberals attempting to justify indoctrinating young people to indefensible beliefs.

    The State, attempting to create a submissive populace, has been using enforced curricula for over a century.

    In 1985, our three girls were in the public school system in Setauket NY, part of the greater Stonybrook university community and one should expect therefore a modicum of decent education. This was not the case.

    We started home schooling back then when it was not a well known activity and we were the districts first antagonists/victims.

    It began when my 15 year old decided she was going to stay home and read the complete encyclopedia from start to finish. My wife was called in, of course, and in response to their saying kids couldn't simply stay home and watch television all day, told them what our girl was actually doing. Their response, after some more dialog regarding the plus points of our impromptu home schooling was; “Mrs. Asher, you don’t understand. We are in the business of raising taxpayers!

    (to be continued)
    Peter Asher

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    • Posted by $ Stormi 10 years, 7 months ago
      My daughter, with whom we spent time almost daily trying to reverse the brain washing in her classrooms, now home schools her own children.

      Sadly, once Common Core becomes the law of the land, per our prez. and thanks to B. Ayers and Bill Gates, even home schooled children will no longer be safe from the brain washing. They thought to include them in the requirements. Parents have a war to fight, and too many do not even see it.
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  • Posted by readsall 10 years, 7 months ago
    I don't thing Public Education is evil, that's too strong a description. But it is a failure. My granddaughter is Home Schooled. She started Kindergarten last Oct and had advanced to 1st grade by April. My daughter gave her a 2 week break during the summer. She expects my granddaughter to be advanced again before the end of the year. The thing is, this Home School program is provided by the Public School system in Oregon, California and Washington. The provide a free computer, printer and all the materials the child will need. I was amazed at the lessons she is completing. Subjects that I didn't have until 4th & 5th grade. She learns at her own pace. There is no reason why this couldn't be down in the classroom instead of expecting the kids to learn at the same rate.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
      "There is no reason why this couldn't be down in the classroom instead of expecting the kids to learn at the same rate" This is one reason I consider it evil. Children are treated like cars coming off of an assemby line. I had not heard about these programs. It sounds like it is giving the parents a little wiggle room to treat their children as individuals.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 7 months ago
      Why would you WANT her in a classroom with 29 other kids? No one expects kids to learn at the same rate, but each over packed class has kids across the spectrum...it's not fair to the higher kids...their progress gets held back by default. I've worked in kindergarten for almost 10 years. This is my last year. I've watched it too long and every year it's worse...and here come Common Core. Having 30 kids to teach is a completely inefficient way to teach kids...too many distractions from behavioral issues that waste teaching time and slow down the process. I'm ALL for homeschooling, The GOV should not be anywhere near our schools let alone run them. (Evil IS the right word.....or do you not believe slipping socialist hints into school work isn't evil.) I'm looking very forward to home schooling my grandson. Kudos to your granddaughter's mother. She should be applauded.
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      • Posted by readsall 10 years, 7 months ago
        You misunderstood. I would never want her in a class with 29 other kids. I think the whole class arrangement is wrong. And making a child wait to start school for another year because the birthday is after Oct. 1st is ludicrous. I guess I've been away from the school systems for too long. My youngest will be 36 in Nov. Slipping socialist hints into school is evil. Before my granddaughter was ready to start school, my daughter & I looked into the available Home Schooling options in our area. We were favorably impress.
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  • Posted by Skought 10 years, 7 months ago
    I would only change your initial statement to Government Education is evil, and encourage everyone to refer these institutions as such.
    They were public schools when the public participated in the decision making processes, now it's Government Administrators dealing with Union Officials to decide what is best, the best for the children, right...
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    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
      Good point. I was going ask people to put up hundreds of billboards around the country reading "Public Education in America is child abuse." Now I might change it to "Government Education..."
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  • Posted by lmsfinally 10 years, 7 months ago
    Okay, I'll chime in. I just shrugged from public education after 23 years of teaching. I was called a "rogue educator" which I was more than happy to smile about. Public education 20 years ago allowed for individual accountability and autonomy by teachers. There are few areas in public education that have not been desecrated. Yes, opening your mind to learn about the world and yourself is the greatest gift, yet, it is in its current state- it's evil. I concur.

    What's evil about it? I was subjected to an egalitarian principal who made my life hell. I was told to follow the plans of other teachers who had 15-20 years less experience than me because "if you're all on the same page, parents won't complain". Literally- the same page. I rejected her demands only to be threatened with my job. So, of course, I secretly taught. This is happening in America.

    I then left the school system to try a charter school hoping that it would offer more autonomy for teachers and someone would appreciate my experience, drive, and dedication to laying a foundational understanding instead of throwing worksheets at children. I was mistaken. It was just as bad. You were expected to work 10 hour days, some nights stay until 7, volunteer and work Saturday schools. Teach for America teachers stocked nearly every classroom waiting to be burned out in the 2 year prison sentence. When I finished the year, the school director informed me that since I didn't follow the other teacher's plans, I would not be asked back. I informed him that I was thankful for the opportunity (and relieved).

    I will NEVER return to public education in the state it is in. I left one of my last positions with the sign "I'm leaving it as I found it, take over, it's yours." hanging on the door and still have the photograph to remind me of the hell that year. I kept the book Atlas Shrugged on my desk and used passphrases from Atlas as my school passwords. I read the book every day and cried often.

    I miss the children and feel sometimes that I'm leaving them in a hell similar to the way it was in Atlas Shrugged. I'm waiting to leave the Gulch and return to rebuild, but only after it implodes from the bureaucracy and corruption. I'm not holding my breath.

    I applied to be a bank teller yesterday.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
      Thank you. The community college I taught at in NJ was no different. Telling the students what I expected of them was derided by the administration.. I hope MikeMarotta reads your post.
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      • Posted by $ johnrobert2 10 years, 7 months ago
        Many years ago, I started out to get my teaching certification based on my military experience and the fact I did have a Master's. I enjoyed teaching as a sub and wanted to be able to teach full time in Lit or History. (BA in History, English minor) all was going well until my interview with the 'gatekeeper'. She later told me the problem was when I said I expected the students to come to class prepared to discuss the work assigned, to take a thesis, research it and defend it. She told me that was too much to expect from HS students and that I would probably be better off teaching at a JC level. So much for education.
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        • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
          Right. The whole system reeks of the opinion "we dont need no thinking students" The sooner they can get the good teachers out, the faster they can achieve their utopian dream of the total control over all minds.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 7 months ago
    Actually, we have a lot of history and data to sort out under the rubric of "public education." Generally, school boards are local and are INDEPENDENT of "the government." In other words, the mayor and city council have no control over the schools.

    Truly, public education has been complicated and compromised by its relationship to government. Probably all US states license teachers.Here in Texas, the State buys all textbooks for all public schools.

    That aside, the basic truth is the public schooling reflects America's commitment to learning. Like public buses and public zoos** public education is just a way to achieve what most people seem to want. It is not optimal. As an educator myself, I agree that completely privatizing education would be best. My wishes aside, the social structures and social functions of local education tell me that if you are unhappy with your local schools, then maybe you should get involved with the school board and maybe run for office.

    If you would rather start your own for-profit school, that is highly laudable.

    Just to complain achieves nothing.

    **On public zoos: the world is not short of problems to decry but no one here so far has claimed that Marxist zoos harm animals.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
      "That aside, the basic truth is the public schooling reflects America's commitment to learning." We, America, have spent trillions in the last fifty or so years on education and what have we gotten for our money? Please point me to the achievements. What have our children learned? What measures of success are you using?
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        Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 7 months ago
        Aside from Silicon Valley, the Internet, stem cells, recombinant DNA and genetically modified organisms, Hollywood, and the highest standard of living on the planet?

        “A slightly higher proportion of American adults qualify as scientifically literate than European or Japanese adults, but the truth is that no major industrial nation in the world today has a sufficient number of scientifically literate adults,” he said. “We should take no pride in a finding that 70 percent of Americans cannot read and understand the science section of the New York Times.”
        Approximately 28 percent of American adults currently qualify as scientifically literate, an increase from around 10 percent in the late 1980s and early 1990s, according to Miller's research. (Science Daily here.)
        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...

        Also, the collapse in the last 50+ years has many causes. Still and all, if you never judged a regional science fair, you have not seen the best side of this. Total privatization would be best of all, but the very existence of public education reflects a basic virtue in American culture.
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        • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
          Following is a link to a High School entrance examination in 1885. I believe the school was Dickinson High Jersey City NJ. Please read the questions and tell me if you could have passed it when you graduated Grammar School. Do you think the average student could pass it today? Is it possible humans can get dumber over time? Why do think our general knowledge has been collapsing and continues to do so? Is it a liitle likely that the NEAs magic is kicking in on an accelerating rate?
          https://schotlinepress.wordpress.com/200...
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  • Posted by BiffSimpson 10 years, 7 months ago
    At the very least, teachers and administrators need to be given clear direction, the tools to succeed and results-based incentives (sorta like capitalism... right?)
    How about this for specifics: standardized tests are given at the end of every school year to all students. The teacher is then graded not on the average grade level for the students, but on how much the students have progressed during the year. For instance, if a teacher gets 4th grade students who are on a 2nd grade level and elevates them to a 3.5 grade level, then she/he has moved them up by 1.5 grades in a single year and should get a bonus. If the students progress only .75 grades, then probation. Twice in a row and you're out. The principal should be judged by the aggregate progress of all the students in the school and the superintendent on the aggregate of all schools. That would make sure that principals fight for books, supplies and equipment that would ensure their financial success.
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    • Posted by lmsfinally 10 years, 7 months ago
      And doctors should be judged on whether you get sick or not? If you get ill, or die, "twice in a row", they're out? You can't control children anymore in a classroom than you can control adults unless you use the role of authoritarian and scare them into learning. These days, it's not only children, but teachers, principals. and recently in TN, superintendents fighting back to the bureaucracy. Too bad most of the good ones have already shrugged or close to it.

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      • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 7 months ago
        Yes.... "scare them into learning"...behavior management sucks out all the teaching time and what they really end up learning is how to get praised for obeying and walking in a line.
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Fee Fi Fo Fum
    I smell the blood of an Englishman.
    Be he live or be he dead,
    I'll grind his bones to make my bread."
    Giant
    from 'Jack and the Beanstalk'

    Since I'm not English, doesn't count.
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