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Professors packing heat

Posted by $ jbrenner 7 years, 4 months ago to News
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I am not allowed to carry a gun on my campus, but our internal security force is so visible with its golf carts that they really aren't necessary. Response time is about two minutes.

My gun is the same shown at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_gun
I suppose I should get it registered. ;)


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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If I'm going to carry a gun, it will be an unregistered 3-D printed gun that I will print myself.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 7 years, 4 months ago
    Give me a break a Gene Gun! Get yourself a Concealed Carry Permit and purchase a Keltec or similar slim semi-auto handgun for pocket carry. Practice diligently at a local range. Practice draw from a deceit pocket holster. So long as the University doesn't have metal detectors no one will know you're carrying.
    I carry a Keltec P32 every day, everywhere, it's not visible through pants or shorts.
    Since I live in the State of Gun, o/s carry is becoming more accepted.
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  • Posted by rtpetrick 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Prof. Brenner...
    I think I'll take a pass on Melbourne.

    Crime rate in Melbourne FL
    One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 19. Within Florida, more than 86% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Melbourne.
    Melbourne FL crime rates and statistics - NeighborhoodScout

    My advice...get yourself a nice .40 cal. semi auto, learn how to use it properly and accurately, and get a CC license.
    Best Regards,
    rtpetrick

    www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/melbourn...
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can always move down to the paradise of east central Florida, where you can be quite safe.
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  • Posted by rtpetrick 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Prof Brenner.....Good for you!..You are probably O.K. as long as you stay in the place where you live. Many of us in America do not have such a wonderful "third option"...... but your response begs question worth contemplating:
    Is anybody really safe in America?
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 4 months ago
    In other words if you pass the states inspection you can be granted permission by the state (which could revoke permission) to have a weapon. A response time of 2 minutes is a bit exaggerated, it would assume an armed guard is very near at all times, that they have not congregated somewhere for lunch or donuts :). No matter what the response time is it gives enough time to bad people to kill many as opposed to someone carrying a weapon at any time in any place. I used to carry a weapon on me all the time, in churches, schools, on the road. Stopped several crimes from happening with it, two were where there were armed individuals with criminal intent, one with the intent to take another's life, on another location several men were approaching a young lady in the park after dark, they did not appear to have good intentions, the fact that I was outnumbered wouldn't have mattered to them, the fact that I was armed with a .45 caliber did and the young lady was grateful for an armed escort out of the park to an area where she was safe. She didn't like weapons, but was very glad that I had one. No response time would have been quick enough compared to being there and being armed. Don't carry anymore. Fear the reaction of the police. They are very dangerous on themselves assuming someone with a weapon needs to be taken down until they can ascertain that the state has approved my having a weapon and then determining if I can have a weapon in the particular circumstance. Then there is the assumption that without proper training and certification my only accomplishment with a weapon would be to inflict injury on my self or innocent others nearby, again circling back to the need for the state to be involved in my having a weapon. No police officer has ever accidentally done that :(. Most who fear guns refer to the 'old west' as though people were actually going around finding the fastest shooter to challenge and challenging each other for any insignificant offense. Actually there were very few standoffs, gunfights and when you enter the numbers as in how many people in 100,000 were killed it was much safer than Chicago today. Where by the way if every time a shooter pulled his pistol he knew there would be a number of armed citizens ready to respond immediately without waiting for a response time they would be reluctant to idly shoot at any occasion. I like what my friend Rock used to say, "an armed society is a polite society."
    When I go into a gun free zone (usually advertised at the entry) I immediately feel less safe and know that criminals who intend to use weapons already know where the softest target is and I am in it! Reminds me of the dark ages that were ruled by tyrants who plundered the citizens at will. In those states it was against the law to own a sword! Unless you worked for the tyrant. Interesting?
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have chosen to live in a place where there is a third option. I do not need to waste resources defending myself.
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  • Posted by rtpetrick 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You really miss the point...which is: Defend or be a victim.
    There are many things worse that could happen than a head wound.
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  • Posted by Donald-Brian-Lehoux 7 years, 4 months ago
    two minutes is plenty of time for any knife weirder to stab you to death. What kind of hardware is campus security carrying ? It is to bad your university violates your right to self protection.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Reversing a century of statism takes place incrementally, even at private universities, but it is progressing in the correct direction now.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 4 months ago
    You will attain certain benefits when you carry a gun yourself. They are not available if you rely on other people, uniformed or not, to provide for your security.

    First, only you will ever be 100% concerned for your well being. There were hundreds of cops within seconds of the Pulse night club, but it took them hours to eliminate the killer. Why? Because their well being is much more important than yours.

    Second, the killers almost always do their homework and attack those that are vulnerable. When you carry a gun, your demeanor changes and the potential attacker recognizes it and moves on to an easier target. It makes no difference if you carry openly or concealed - you know that you are armed and the potential killer can sense that from your body language. Just like when a woman wears real jewelry vs costume jewelry, the body language speaks clearly.

    Third, and related to the above, when you are armed you gain confidence. It doesn't matter that you may be a very respected professional - we are always aware of our limitations. We do not think of it all the time, but in the sub conscience we know that a 20-year old guy with a good physique has an undeniable physical superiority over us. A gun instantly equalizes us, and that feeds back to reason number two above.

    It is important to remember that a gun is only a tool. If one does not learn how to use it, it is no more than a calculator in hands of a Neanderthal. But, I'm sure that you wouldn't present a lecture unprepared, either.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You will also recall that all mass murders in the US, except for OK City, have been perpetrated by liberals or children whose parents are liberals. Part of the culture of no responsibility and conviction of their superiority. There has been much talk lately of restricting guns of mentally ill people. Of course, recognizing mental illness is often difficult, but one of the basic definitions of mental illness is a disconnect from reality. Membership in the Democratic Party needs to be viewed as a strong indication of a mental illness, at least sufficient to restrict gun ownership.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think I remember reading about such an attitude
    on the part of a politician in D.C., some years ago,
    in the newspaper. He shot an intruder in the house;
    and still stated his belief in gun control; but, ap-
    parently, it was not supposed to apply to him.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 4 months ago
    And will the students be allowed to carry guns?
    As much as I didn't like the (now-deceased) Jerry
    Falwell, his son seems to have the right idea at
    Liberty University.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Liberal professors are more likely to carry a gun illegally than their non-liberal co-workers. Liberals, especially in academia, are convinced that they are smarter, better and more worthy than the plebeians and they are much more likely to break the law. Their attitude is that the end justifies the means; laws are made to control the means; therefore, laws do not apply to them when they are doing something for the "common good." A very similar rationalization or justification process that religious terrorists use.
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  • Posted by GaryL 7 years, 4 months ago
    Your security guys get there in around 2 minutes while mine get there at around 1700 feet per second.
    Although I do agree that a good guy with a gun is the best and most rapid response I am not so sure that Professors can all be labeled as Good Guys. Some of the ones I know are just smart enough to shoot their own feet off because they lack the Survivor Gene.
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  • Posted by MikeM35 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The old western so-called gun fighters made marksmanship the priority and made their first rounds count. Being fast on the draw is all well and good but actually taking out your opponent is what makes a survivor instead of a statistic.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 7 years, 4 months ago
    The value of armed instructors is that the Preps cant tell who is armed and who isn't. So instead of posting a no guns sign ...which actually means "Victim zone" You post a sign saying...."Armed staff members" This will cause the potential perpetrator to seek a target rich environment elsewhere. Remember....the Colorado "Batman" movie shooter passed up 2 larger theaters that were closer to his house. Why??? Because they did not have the "No gun zone" signs. Even "Crazy" people think about these sorts of things.
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  • Posted by NealS 7 years, 4 months ago
    You mean that even liberal professors (there are a few out there) could be carrying a gun? How dangerous is that? How would they get training if they had gotten their way and disbanded the NRA? Where would they get a gun to carry if there were no more gun sales in the US?
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