A post it of a fellow gulcher's business.... #JohnGalt2014
Posted by Non_mooching_artist 10 years, 4 months ago to Pics
.... Which she has shrugged! She is John Galt!
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http://i.imgur.com/HskFVm3.jpg
hmmmmm.
And you have to admit that taxation is theft, if you define theft as taking someone else's property against there will. I don't care if you call it necessary theft, practical theft, legalized theft, sanctioned theft, or taxation, it's still theft by definition.
The federal government has created the most threatening, repugnant den of thieves in the IRS. And that must be exterminated.
First, let's define the terms. Taxation is the seizing of the wealth of a group of people without their consent, under various threats [including the threat of the initiation of deadly force] for non-compliance.
Is that right?
and you think that's OK?
If you dislike the tax rates in your current place of residence, then you can always move someplace where the taxes are lower, or work towards building a business in the B quadrant.
http://i.imgur.com/HskFVm3.jpg
Remember that invalidation of one part does not invalidate the whole.
Please don't give me the same childish response that every individual who thinks about politics and government, and then comments, has been given in place of actual intelligent discussion. *Wesley Mouch voice: "If you don't like it here, you could just LEEEAAAVVE."
No. There are other choices.
donations given to get, first, physical security, and
second, the curation (like 'curator') of the agreement
signed by every individual allowed full membership.
the elected leadership would be paid by donations.
we would, then, pass a hat to keep you "in", if
you did not want to donate. -- j
And the method of taxation is far less of an issue, in my mind, than the amount and the usage of the taxes collected.
Shrugging is a success of it's own. :)
Since schools teach "failure" as bad, we're tempted to come up with a narrative to blame our failures on external factors. Instead of learning from Outback Steakhouse, we come up with a narrative that they must have cheated b/c no one can succeed honestly by serving customers, vendors, and employees well.
So I disagree with part of the message of AS. I like the allegory of more and more of the world wanting a handout and that making the producers want to give up. But if the story were real and not an allegory, I think the protagonists should have used their amazing abilities to inspire the world to take charge of their own lives and stop looking for a handout.
Second:
"...should have used heir amazing abilities to inspire that world to take charge of their lives and stop looking for a handout."
THEY DON'T LISTEN! And the entire world is telling them otherwise...they won't get it until the gov stops feeding them, off OUR backs. That's the WHOLE point! omg.
I don't recall saying this, but I might have b/c I generally doubt people say they turned down huge amounts of wealth on principle. I do know of one counter-example. I would certainly be interested if you had a customer or competitor who offered to buy you out at many times earnings. I love those stories. I'm really fascinated by cases where people turn down the offer and get nothing or almost nothing on principle. The one guy I know personally who did so was amazing.
At the time I decided to sell the property my intent was to sell it in a manner that would insure that the looters would not be able to get one penny form our efforts in that business. After conferring with my accountant and my tax accountant we determined that selling it for any more than $25,000 would result in the proceeds exceeding $25,000 being taxable as income.
The sales price is public record and if anybody wants to bother to look it up I'll tell you where to find it.
Here's what the building looked like when we started - after we replaced doors and windows; http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/Larry_...
And here's what it looked like as we were finishing;
http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/Larry_...
It started at 400sf and ended at 2800sf. between the two buildings on the property.
The trouble is the buyers got a great deal and will have a huge gain when they sell it. If someone's going to pay taxes on it, I'd rather it be the one's who did the work (i.e. you).
I understand, though, that in that case you'd be pulling the trigger. Selling it at no profit means the next seller will be pulling the trigger; and maybe they'll follow your example.
I get the logic, but I would _never_ forgo roughly $100,000 in profit that I earned through hard work. Even if half the population followed your footsteps instead of taking the taxable income, things would change immediately.
As I recall reading a story a man being backed against the wall by some thug (sorry I can't recall where I got this) the thug says "You need to come around to our point of view, after all, if you had a broken leg, you'd call a doctor to fix it. Upright citizen replies "not if he was the one who broke it in the first place".
Edit - I just remembered - it was Mr Thompson to John Galt.
I would not in any way shape or form do anything that forced me to give this administration one penny from the work of my mind or body. It is called standing for ones values and mine exceed whatever money I might earn by prostituting myself for this administration. From this rock I will not be moved - they have no value to trade for my mind.
I do give away a lot of my work for various charities' fund raising efforts. Otherwise I'd be drowning in stuff.
You do nice work, by the way! :-)
As I said my family helped do all the construction with me sitting on the floor in my wheelchair acting as foreman. Even though my wife and I were in complete agreement about selling the building, including price, I felt that I had to "pay her back" for all her labor in a special way. Our next construction project was a big swimming pool she had wanted for years. It was the least I could do.
About my work, I'm humbled. After all, I work in clay and it's hard to be uppity when you make mud pies all day.
Spelling out FU.
Robbie is absolutely dead on target. If there's a place that has more libtards per square foot than Chicago, it's Madison WI. It slues the politics of the entire state.
I knew someone who turned down selling something for millions and instead carrying on collecting only tiny rents from it. My first thought was "no way, he didn't have a real offer," but I now believe he did. It definitely happens that people are offered millions of dollars and just turn it down on principle. I've only seen it once, but maybe what I saw wasn't all that rare.
"THEY DON'T LISTEN! And the entire world is telling them otherwise...they won't get it until the gov stops feeding them"
I'm not close to anyone who admits to be looking for a handout. My sister knows some people who live a reasonably middle-class lifestyle only on handouts. They drive me nuts so badly that I just end up not interacting with them. If they ever say something like "I'm through looking for a handout" I would be eager to help. I'm no master sales maker, but I'd at least have a shot at those looking for a change.
In my case I have a nice retirement and some very solid investments that pay my bills without me ever touching my cash, but all of it is just one penstroke (by the guy who has a pen and a phone) and I'd be wiped out. But that's true of any of us I think.
You'd also have to sell the idea to some host country, since all the world is part of some nation state. You'd say the deal is they leave you alone and then they get the benefit of all the trade with a group of affluent people who love creating jobs, making products, and selling things. You'd say maybe the next Google will start in the settlement b/c immigration rules and rules on investment capital will be open there. Most of the means of production are electronic now, so you'd have to have a backup plan to move the entire settlement if the host gov't started meddling.
I hope someone starts a Gulch in my lifetime. I will definitely visit.
how is that efficient or moral? value for value. not collective
I hope the very concept of the nation state is breaking down. Then it won't be true that a Gulch relies on another nation state. It will start in the world of nation states that we have today, it will produce amazing value that people want, and that will lead to the adoption of the policies elsewhere. It has to be far enough away to make it hard to loot from but not so far as to make trade difficult. That may be impossible. It may be just a dream.
Today it's almost impossible to find a university that's not a libtard training ground. All pretense of education is gone. It's just programming from day one. Universities are all multi million dollar per semester operations that are some states top industries in earnings and as employers.
When you reach that point, where both education and politics are controlled by liberals and you add in the useful idiots in the press, that great sucking sound you hear are your liberties being sucked away.
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despite the surrounding society, or (2) the surrounding
society is sufficiently amenable to business,
unlike ours today.
perhaps promissory notes could be used to get
around the barter problem. I will give you my hat
in exchange for a note. you give me your tomatoes
in exchange for a note. then, we meet and tear up
selected notes to balance things, over a beer.
and the meeting could be by skype!
maybe??? -- j
knives, rifles, videos and prepper hardware here,
thanks to the super people in the virtual gulch .....
and it can, no, it must be continued past these 3
movies! y'all hang on for the long run, OK???
and Thank You All !!! -- j
real heroes and heroines, real producers
and damn smart thinkers -- I'm a fan!!! -- j
"Rich Dad Poor Dad," by Robert Kiyosaki:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1612680003/
his rich uncle;;; when he died in '91, he was worth
over 2,000 times that. he taught me about getting
your dollars to go out like little soldiers, like little
employees, and defend -- plus earn more dollars
for -- you.
good advice, I'd say, and somewhat similar to the
first part of this book as I just scanned it. even
though the author's an accountant. argh. value is
a strange concept to accountants!!! -- j
The Rich Dad in the book was a laconic figure who implied the secrets of the rich were available to those who took his seminars or got involved in MLM.
If Rich Dad had said only the things your dad said, I would wholeheartedly recommend the book.
which crawl up and try to bite us? -- j