I had, over time, many discussions about definitions od leadership. That could be an interesting discussion here too.

Funny thing, Maritimus, I don't feel like a leader, but it seems that when things happen, I end up taking the first step and people follow my lead.. What is the problem these days that no one seems to want to take that first step? I guess it isn't just "these days", though. All my life it's been that way, as long as I can remember.

"... many were afraid to say anything until they found they weren't alone." Is that not the essence of the omnipresent need for leadership? I think so.

I love sonic, and was sad to think about having to tell the manager I had added them to my no-go list. Then I realized I couldn't go in and tell the manager that, because I am not sure if I have ever seen a Sonic where you "Go in". All of ours are drive-in's and they aren't telling people they can't have a CCW in their car are they? I have never seen anything like that? Are Sonic's set up differently in different parts of the country?

Hi Robbie. I have told store owners on both sides, and likewise patronize those who will accept my concealed carry. Hobby Lobby is one of our favorite places, and if there were a Chick-Fil-A here, we'd go there too. It is so important to let people know where you stand--we've found that many were afraid to say anything until they found they weren't alone.

That's interesting. Well, I am so glad that I PAID the government for the permission to defend myself in a concealed carry license, otherwise, I would be defenseless in these restaurants..of which I have no intention of supporting.

When I go to one these named places, sheep I'm with that know I carry usually tell me "hey they don't want you to carry here" and I tell them that's WHY I'm carrying here.. a few of them get it and get their own CWP. As far as Chilies goes and the alcohol excuse- State of Florida differentiates between carrying in the bar at a chilies or in the restaurant which is legal so that's a BS excuse, in Florida anyway. I think in GA now CWPermit holders in bar carry is legal.

A small local business has this notice on the door: "Warning. Employees and customers May Be Armed!"

i say yes--and the first time i read a quote about an armed society is a polite society was in a Heinlein book--he was probably quoting one of the Founding Fathers. I'll have to look it up, but it is more appropriate than ever these days!

hey! I saw one of those on a french beach, once --
believe that it was St Martin(/St Maarten) on the
SW corner -- enticing!!! -- j

p.s. if I had a restaurant, I'd call the media and ask
that they cover my posting a "please arrive armed"
sign. then, I'd only have to provide security for my
"closed" hours. the customers and the employees
would be among the 99.9% of fine upstanding U.S.
members providing security when open. -- j

Another +1 for Luby's. That was where my parents took us when we were kids.

Around my parts, the soccer moms ARE gun toters!

Point for remembering Lubys. Most anti-gun nuts will point at it as a reason to post those asinine signs saying "no guns", but had Ms. Hupp (or any of the other patrons of that fine Killeen establishment) they would have stopped the nutflocker Hennard and perhaps all the people who died at that coward's acts would not have...

Why is it that these worthless spineless psychotics always shoot the wrong person (themselves) last, when they should be first...

They're just doing their part in trimming the waist line of patriots.

Any place of business that is that rampantly anti-2nd amendment, and doesn't care about their patrons safety and right to defend themselves from the jackals apparently doesn't have its customers intrests at heart.

How about this instead... Armed customers receive a 5% discount. And a sign thanking them for their patronage and their patriotism.

Hey OA...

Not my brand of ideology, that's for sure! Maybe the corporate ditzy-heads will think getting their establishment in the news by sponsoring mass-masacares at their restaurants will somehow boost business. True Looter/moocher mentality there...

I wonder how many criminals, carrying a concealed firearm, visit the places and walk right past their GFZ sign or posted "policy" statement?

As long as they feel this way, I and my family will stay out of the places.

Here in IL, if a business wants to keep licensed concealed handgun carriers out of their businesses, they must post a specified sign conspicuously on their door. Where I live there are very few and the number is dropping like their sales figures.

One business that's not posted but has within their "membership agreement" every "member" signs, a clause that members will not carry within their store is Costco. While they can potentially revoke the offending persons membership, I know several who carry there anyway.

I don't use the place myself, but since they don't have metal detectors there (can you imagine what my wheelchair would do to one?) I doubt that aside from a firearm becoming completely bare, they have any idea how many guns pass through their doors.

I do not patronize any place that carries the "no firearms" logo if I can possibly avoid it. Unfortunately, many people do not realize just what this means to their own safety. If they care not to investigate, how can they possibly know that the mass shootings were nearly all in gun-free zones? The drive-by media chooses not say anything along those lines, thereby putting even more at risk because of partisan politics. When do we start holding these jerks responsible for their actions? The answer appears to be "never". I can't see it happening in my lifetime. Let us hope I'm wrong...

Those places are asking to get robbed.

Stay out of there if you don't want someone to take you hostage.

Hello Susanne,
I'm sure the criminals will be intimidated by the notice and comply... NOT! Gun free zones are a welcome mat for the ne'er do well. Ideology trumps common sense...
Regards,
O.A.