US Senator Openly Calls for dumping 'due process' and embraces fascist left principles. So why is he still a Senator?
US Senator: Get rid of due process — it’s “killing us”
6/16/2016 10:01:58 AM Ed Morrissey
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So much for the oath to uphold the Constitution, eh? “Due process is what’s killing us right now,” said Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) on Morning Joe today in pushing for a bill to use secret watch lists to deny Americans civil rights. In
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After openly denying he oath of office and embracing leftist fascism has he not been summarily rejected and ejected from the Senate out of hand with no further ado? Is not a public confession admissable evidence of wrong doing? Shame on you Comrade Manchin. You are an self confessed traitor.
The Complete Article here or at the URL
on, eh? “Due process is what’s killing us right now,” said Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) on Morning Joe today in pushing for a bill to use secret watch lists to deny Americans civil rights. In place of due process, Manchin proposes a five-year suspension of civil rights and surveillance when the FBI fails to find anything wrong after “suspicion” arises … just to be safe, of course (via Stephen Green at Instapundit):
In fact, Manchin admits that the watch-list ban wouldn’t have worked to prevent the Orlando shooter from purchasing weapons, because the FBI had already taken him off those lists. That’s why Manchin proposes that the government simply remove civil rights for five years from anyone who’s been under FBI investigation:
MANCHIN: Really, the firewall we have right now is due process. It’s all due process. So we can all say we want the same thing, but how do we get there? If a person is on a terrorist watch list, like the gentleman, the shooter in Orlando? He was twice by the FBI — we were briefed yesterday about what happened — but that young man was brought in twice. They did everything they could. The FBI did everything they were supposed to do. But there was no way to keep him on the nix list or keep him off the gun-buy list, there was no way to do that.
So can’t we say that if a person’s under suspicion there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits? Maybe we can come to that type of an agreement, but due process is what’s killing us right now.
What interesting times in which we live! Who would have guessed that we’d hear demands to demolish due process from liberals — and on national television? (Hint: Everyone, eventually.) Manchin doesn’t just want a watch-list ban — he wants law enforcement to decide who gets to exercise civil rights, and when.
If Manchin’s so keen on suspending explicit constitutional rights on the basis of suspicion, can we also eliminate the Fourth Amendment and conduct warrantless raids on people whom police suspect of being criminals? How about suspending the Fifth Amendment for people suspected of taking part in criminal conspiracies, or bypassing the Sixth Amendment rights to confront witnesses and defend one’s self in a court?
Actually, Manchin’s proposal would violate most of those, in one form or another, along with the Second Amendment.
Here’s a better idea — let’s allow the executive branch to seize the records of legislators that they think might be corrupt or undermining America. Let’s start with Joe Manchin! Who needs that pesky Constitution, anyway? It’s killing us, man! Official suspicion is so much better than due process, at least for those who aren’t the target of it.
This is precisely the slippery slope I warned about in my column for The Week:
The American system of justice relies on core principles based on a fundamental understanding of natural law. First, the Constitution exists to restrain government from encroaching on the rights of its sovereign citizens. Second, each citizen retains those civil rights unless a jury of their peers convicts them of violating the law. Third, each citizen is entitled to due process and a presumption of innocence from the government until conviction.
In the wake of the Orlando shooting, the familiar rush to use the no-fly and terror watch lists as a bar to owning a firearm violates every single one of these principles. …
In this proposal, Clinton and her allies call for an end to due process before denying citizens their constitutional right to bear arms. This is a far more fundamental issue than debating over which firearms to bar from private ownership; it strikes at the fundamental relationship between citizens and the government that exists to serve their liberty interests. Once those principles have been discarded for political expediency on the mere basis of official suspicion, no rights — whether natural or declared — will ever be safe again.
Joe Manchin let the mask slip today. Let’s hope that wakes up the rest of the country, before they find themselves the target of “suspicion” and spend five years — or the rest of their lives — dealing with the consequences of a government unmoored from due process.
If you can't do the job why are you not packing your stuff and why has your Governor not selected a successor.?
We really need recall in all 50 and including state employee delegates to the federal congress.
6/16/2016 10:01:58 AM Ed Morrissey
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So much for the oath to uphold the Constitution, eh? “Due process is what’s killing us right now,” said Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) on Morning Joe today in pushing for a bill to use secret watch lists to deny Americans civil rights. In
More..
After openly denying he oath of office and embracing leftist fascism has he not been summarily rejected and ejected from the Senate out of hand with no further ado? Is not a public confession admissable evidence of wrong doing? Shame on you Comrade Manchin. You are an self confessed traitor.
The Complete Article here or at the URL
on, eh? “Due process is what’s killing us right now,” said Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) on Morning Joe today in pushing for a bill to use secret watch lists to deny Americans civil rights. In place of due process, Manchin proposes a five-year suspension of civil rights and surveillance when the FBI fails to find anything wrong after “suspicion” arises … just to be safe, of course (via Stephen Green at Instapundit):
In fact, Manchin admits that the watch-list ban wouldn’t have worked to prevent the Orlando shooter from purchasing weapons, because the FBI had already taken him off those lists. That’s why Manchin proposes that the government simply remove civil rights for five years from anyone who’s been under FBI investigation:
MANCHIN: Really, the firewall we have right now is due process. It’s all due process. So we can all say we want the same thing, but how do we get there? If a person is on a terrorist watch list, like the gentleman, the shooter in Orlando? He was twice by the FBI — we were briefed yesterday about what happened — but that young man was brought in twice. They did everything they could. The FBI did everything they were supposed to do. But there was no way to keep him on the nix list or keep him off the gun-buy list, there was no way to do that.
So can’t we say that if a person’s under suspicion there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits? Maybe we can come to that type of an agreement, but due process is what’s killing us right now.
What interesting times in which we live! Who would have guessed that we’d hear demands to demolish due process from liberals — and on national television? (Hint: Everyone, eventually.) Manchin doesn’t just want a watch-list ban — he wants law enforcement to decide who gets to exercise civil rights, and when.
If Manchin’s so keen on suspending explicit constitutional rights on the basis of suspicion, can we also eliminate the Fourth Amendment and conduct warrantless raids on people whom police suspect of being criminals? How about suspending the Fifth Amendment for people suspected of taking part in criminal conspiracies, or bypassing the Sixth Amendment rights to confront witnesses and defend one’s self in a court?
Actually, Manchin’s proposal would violate most of those, in one form or another, along with the Second Amendment.
Here’s a better idea — let’s allow the executive branch to seize the records of legislators that they think might be corrupt or undermining America. Let’s start with Joe Manchin! Who needs that pesky Constitution, anyway? It’s killing us, man! Official suspicion is so much better than due process, at least for those who aren’t the target of it.
This is precisely the slippery slope I warned about in my column for The Week:
The American system of justice relies on core principles based on a fundamental understanding of natural law. First, the Constitution exists to restrain government from encroaching on the rights of its sovereign citizens. Second, each citizen retains those civil rights unless a jury of their peers convicts them of violating the law. Third, each citizen is entitled to due process and a presumption of innocence from the government until conviction.
In the wake of the Orlando shooting, the familiar rush to use the no-fly and terror watch lists as a bar to owning a firearm violates every single one of these principles. …
In this proposal, Clinton and her allies call for an end to due process before denying citizens their constitutional right to bear arms. This is a far more fundamental issue than debating over which firearms to bar from private ownership; it strikes at the fundamental relationship between citizens and the government that exists to serve their liberty interests. Once those principles have been discarded for political expediency on the mere basis of official suspicion, no rights — whether natural or declared — will ever be safe again.
Joe Manchin let the mask slip today. Let’s hope that wakes up the rest of the country, before they find themselves the target of “suspicion” and spend five years — or the rest of their lives — dealing with the consequences of a government unmoored from due process.
If you can't do the job why are you not packing your stuff and why has your Governor not selected a successor.?
We really need recall in all 50 and including state employee delegates to the federal congress.
A coworker of mine, who's actually a gun owner, said to me recently, "I think those on a no-fly list shouldn't be able to buy a gun." I said, "What if you're on the list? How does one get on the list? What if everybody's on the list?" You should have seen his face. Looked like his head was about to explode. LOL!
from don't-know-yous to enemies. . only friends would
be permitted to buy. . and it's nearly impossible to get
off the list. -- j
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This is looking like a fun retirement if I have to go back.
J"ust don't toss me in the VA Patch shuddered Brer Rabid!"
"Why not Brer Tour Tell?"
"Cause I forgot the punch line!"
"Ask Brer Booze Aard."
"Where is that scound rule?"
"Out in the yard alookin' for the punch line."
"Mr. Rabid had it."
"I am Mr. Rabid where's the bucket?"
Honestly none of you ever heard this joke before.
Mr. Tourtelle is down by the well and Mr. Boozarde is out in the yard.
Rabbit replies. Then go tell them that (keeping this short) that Mr. Rabid is here with the sxxt.
It's a cajun joke I learned first trip to the southland. Also who takes over when the President dies? Answer The undertaker. Their humor is slightly the opposite of a good pinoy joke.
(and start recall and impeachment proceedings.)
Guess the FBI and NSA will say they need more power of surveillance, too.
executive orders to the absurd. . no; he's already there. -- j
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of the heritage foundation's board? -- j
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And. There. It. Was.
And before I went letter hunting, I already had an answer for the question also asked in the title.
Why is a radical Constitution trampling traitor and a sociopath liar still our president?
Why is a crooked evil hag with Benghazi blood on her hands and unprotected email read by Putin still a presidential candidate?
Contemplate the letter "D."
There are treacherous little RINOs to ferret out, that acronym also beginning with an R.
I find loose cannon Trump to be disappointing as I do Gary Johnson, who says stupid stuff like "A million Mexicans is a million taxpayers."
Hitlery scares me more then Trump.
When I go to vote, I imagine my head will be hanging low.
Replace "Mexicans" with "moochers" and I don't just mean Mexicans but anyone else illegal Johnson said he would not block with a wall due to longer ladders.
The prison I used to work at had double fences fitted with sensors. Senors and security camera should be added to the wall and a border patrol allowed to respond to penetration alarms.
Those sensors at that prison is now replaced by an electric fence now in between the fences.
Guess an electric fence and different types of nasty cutting wire would never pass the PC test even under Trump.
Johnson is a Libertarian. What he said was bring in a million who we know WILL work and make them legal we create a million new taxpayers? So? Nothing stupid about thatl.
to a Republican the tar you tried to use unsuccessfully it means cheap foreign labor and so what our comrades in socialism the Democrats will get some votes out of it
To a Democrat it means slave labor and cheap votes no matter how illegal. Since when did illegal mean crap to a Democrat?
In the words of the famous Lone Ranger and his INDIAN sidekick Jay Silverheels Tonto I should ask porque to es muy tonto?
You just kicked yourself in the nalga and laid a trail of frijoles.
(I'm Norwegian descent by the way but I know the language of mi vecinos no muy distante.)
Read my response to jabuttrick about that, senor, for alls these repetitions ees making my head feel so very tired.
Here's the right thing for the Senate to do with Manchin. For plotting the otherthrow of the Constitution, he should be placed on a national enemies list, thrown into prison, and kept there for the five years he suggests in lieu of due process. And while we're at it, Shrillary is already being investigated by the FBI, so she should be thrown into prison for five years, too, in lieu of due process, then made to stand trial for her various crimes: Whitewater, perjury, money laundering, influence peddling, disregarded national security, &c.
Been off and on thinking of writing in John Galt if not the whole famous question.
November is a ways off. Hitlery may get replaced by Bumblebrains Biden and Trump may get assassinated.
Who'll make the placards and march around WV?
No one? I thought so. Unfortunately, however, that's how the left works -- and wins. We are descending into a world of slogans, catch-phrases and sound bites. It is becoming more apparent that, that is as deeply as most voters go in order to pick a candidate.
Consider yourselves illuminated.
They are bought and paid for in ways that they can no longer walk away from.
Nor should we expect any successful investigation or prosecution either, that system is corrupted as well.
See the MSNBC Talking Head rant on YouTube? Watch it and pay attention, because its very, very true.
Unfortunately we don't have a John Gault wandering around today. We today, no longer have a country, they have stolen it from us and they will try to use violence and fear to retain their power. Further, they will attempt to incarcerate all of us who do not respond to their direction. Why else would they all want to take our guns?
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I'm not sure why you feel you can mock me or my name I use for this group, and I certainly do not know why you say I support living in chains.
Does 'suspicion of/' replacing probable cause help?
Continuing to discuss things that doesn't exist anymore as if they were relevant truly doesn't help get them back. My apologies to NH if it was VT I wouldn't have bothered.
That being said, this exchange is ended.
Our solution is to prevent Muslims who adhere to their Faith's tenet to "kill infidels" from immigrating here